New Hyundai Ioniq 5

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juice

8,534 posts

282 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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Digital side mirrors...just no. They look absolutely stupid.

off_again

12,313 posts

234 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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juice said:
Digital side mirrors...just no. They look absolutely stupid.
Kind of agree. It doesnt really add that much in my opinion. I am sure the designers will make some sort of comment about aesthetic lines and the engineers will talk about better clarity or something. But to be honest, a good quality mirror that has been designed well probably works better. Kia (and I think also Hyundai) have that camera system in the mirrors though - pops up in the center dash screen with the view backwards, right across the blind spot - when you put the indicators on. Bloody genius that! Had a rental car a bit ago that had it and it was great. Seamless, simple and of course still checked my mirrors, but did mean you had an extra view across your blind spot. Brilliant! That works.

Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....

Cupramax

10,480 posts

252 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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zayn said:
This guys pretty good, watched a few of his vids before... really like the look of this barring the aforementioned mirrors

Evanivitch

20,094 posts

122 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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off_again said:
Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....
Last I remember, wing mirrors can be upto 5% of your drag. Simply put, there's a few percentage points benefit in moving to camera, especially at higher speeds where EV range typically surfers the most.

kambites

67,578 posts

221 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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Evanivitch said:
off_again said:
Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....
Last I remember, wing mirrors can be upto 5% of your drag. Simply put, there's a few percentage points benefit in moving to camera, especially at higher speeds where EV range typically surfers the most.
Yup it's not done for looks or to improve visibility. It's to reduce drag. I'm still not convinced it's worth the cost and complexity, but it's being done for a good reason.

JonnyVTEC

3,005 posts

175 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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That charging station is ace.

The camera mirrors are also great for wind noise.

off_again

12,313 posts

234 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Evanivitch said:
off_again said:
Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....
Last I remember, wing mirrors can be upto 5% of your drag. Simply put, there's a few percentage points benefit in moving to camera, especially at higher speeds where EV range typically surfers the most.
I get it, but I cant help thinking that its added complexity for very small gain. Ok, so I am advocating the use of cameras in the mirror too, so my argument is somewhat moot, but it just seems an engineering problem that we dont really need. We have wind tunnels, clever engineers and there is no real reason why we cant engineer a normal mirror to be better, sleeker and much cheaper than some sort of pod style thing.

Murph7355

37,739 posts

256 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Evanivitch said:
off_again said:
Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....
Last I remember, wing mirrors can be upto 5% of your drag. Simply put, there's a few percentage points benefit in moving to camera, especially at higher speeds where EV range typically surfers the most.
Makes you wonder why they just stuck brick like cameras on the outside....surely a small bullet somewhere more optimal (b-pillar?) would be better?

Evanivitch

20,094 posts

122 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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off_again said:
I get it, but I cant help thinking that its added complexity for very small gain. Ok, so I am advocating the use of cameras in the mirror too, so my argument is somewhat moot, but it just seems an engineering problem that we dont really need. We have wind tunnels, clever engineers and there is no real reason why we cant engineer a normal mirror to be better, sleeker and much cheaper than some sort of pod style thing.
Mirrors are notoriously difficult to style as the trailing edge has to be a flat piece of glass, which aerodynamically is always a bad start.

Evanivitch

20,094 posts

122 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Murph7355 said:
Makes you wonder why they just stuck brick like cameras on the outside....surely a small bullet somewhere more optimal (b-pillar?) would be better?
They certainly aren't as sleek to look at as the Honda or Audi offerings, that is true.

CABC

5,582 posts

101 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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the Audi ones look like they're inviting a passing yoof to break them off.

irocfan

40,488 posts

190 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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I'll be the dinosaur dissenting here a little here. From the outside it looks ok, good even, but nothing special - for me the disappointment (as with most electric cars) comes with the instrumentation: just a couple of flat panels stuck into place. Looks dreadful

chrispmartha

15,499 posts

129 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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The exterior design looks great, but that interior and those wing ‘mirrors’ are hideous

Murph7355

37,739 posts

256 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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chrispmartha said:
The exterior design looks great, but that interior and those wing ‘mirrors’ are hideous
I think I agree.

Even the outside looks very colour sensitive.

SWoll

18,411 posts

258 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Murph7355 said:
chrispmartha said:
The exterior design looks great, but that interior and those wing ‘mirrors’ are hideous
I think I agree.

Even the outside looks very colour sensitive.
the two tone black/silver example is particularly bad.

https://youtu.be/vNZhDqoj8Ws?t=580s

HalfManHalfJaffaCake

56 posts

50 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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As a varifocal wearer in his late fifties I'm not looking forward to digital 'mirrors' becoming widespread.

I can look straight ahead or look at objects in my door mirrors without changing my focus, because they're all in the distance - even though the mirror's quite close, the reflected objects aren't.

This doesn't work with a screen, meaning the eyes have to refocus every time you look at it and you lose the 3D aspect - young drivers might not notice, but it's likely to be a real problem for someone older and it might be necessary to move your head if you're wearing varifocals.

I already have this problem with some infotainment touchscreens - in my case I can use one mounted high on the dash but anything low-down is too far away to see without looking down because otherwise it would be the near-vision part of the lens.

I'm not in the market for one of these, but in future lack of true mirrors could well be a deal-breaker depending on where the screens are sited.

Edited by HalfManHalfJaffaCake on Sunday 25th April 21:41

ZesPak

24,432 posts

196 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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I like the look of it. But looking at the dimensions it's almost exactly a Q5 in all but height.

I'm hoping the 5 indicates there'll be a 1-4 as well. Can't wait to see this in Fiesta or Focus size.

dapprman

2,323 posts

267 months

Monday 26th April 2021
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HalfManHalfJaffaCake said:
As a varifocal wearer in his late fifties I'm not looking forward to digital 'mirrors' becoming widespread.

I can look straight ahead or look at objects in my door mirrors without changing my focus, because they're all in the distance - even though the mirror's quite close, the reflected objects aren't.

This doesn't work with a screen, meaning the eyes have to refocus every time you look at it and you lose the 3D aspect - young drivers might not notice, but it's likely to be a real problem for someone older and it might be necessary to move your head if you're wearing varifocals.

I already have this problem with some infotainment touchscreens - in my case I can use one mounted high on the dash but anything low-down is too far away to see without looking down because otherwise it would be the near-vision part of the lens.

I'm not in the market for one of these, but in future lack of true mirrors could well be a deal-breaker depending on where the screens are sited.

Edited by HalfManHalfJaffaCake on Sunday 25th April 21:41
Know where you're coming from - my prescription is quite mild but my second set of varfocals are stronger at both ends and like you I can get the occasional problem with the central console - actually thinking of going for separate glasses next time which may make video door mirrors more of an issue. Of course it depends on whether you can focus them like with a camera view finder


kambites

67,578 posts

221 months

Monday 26th April 2021
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From the point if view of refocusing your eyes, I'd imagine it will be broadly similar to looking at your speedometer which should give a good idea of whether it's a problem?

Cupramax

10,480 posts

252 months

Monday 26th April 2021
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Embargo lifted so several UK tests now live on YouTube..