New Hyundai Ioniq 5
Discussion
juice said:
Digital side mirrors...just no. They look absolutely stupid.
Kind of agree. It doesnt really add that much in my opinion. I am sure the designers will make some sort of comment about aesthetic lines and the engineers will talk about better clarity or something. But to be honest, a good quality mirror that has been designed well probably works better. Kia (and I think also Hyundai) have that camera system in the mirrors though - pops up in the center dash screen with the view backwards, right across the blind spot - when you put the indicators on. Bloody genius that! Had a rental car a bit ago that had it and it was great. Seamless, simple and of course still checked my mirrors, but did mean you had an extra view across your blind spot. Brilliant! That works.Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....
zayn said:
This guys pretty good, watched a few of his vids before... really like the look of this barring the aforementioned mirrorsoff_again said:
Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....
Last I remember, wing mirrors can be upto 5% of your drag. Simply put, there's a few percentage points benefit in moving to camera, especially at higher speeds where EV range typically surfers the most.Evanivitch said:
off_again said:
Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....
Last I remember, wing mirrors can be upto 5% of your drag. Simply put, there's a few percentage points benefit in moving to camera, especially at higher speeds where EV range typically surfers the most.Evanivitch said:
off_again said:
Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....
Last I remember, wing mirrors can be upto 5% of your drag. Simply put, there's a few percentage points benefit in moving to camera, especially at higher speeds where EV range typically surfers the most.Evanivitch said:
off_again said:
Digital mirrors? Yeah, not seeing that its a great idea. Audi and Honda do it as well, but cant help thinking that its complexity for complexities sake....
Last I remember, wing mirrors can be upto 5% of your drag. Simply put, there's a few percentage points benefit in moving to camera, especially at higher speeds where EV range typically surfers the most.off_again said:
I get it, but I cant help thinking that its added complexity for very small gain. Ok, so I am advocating the use of cameras in the mirror too, so my argument is somewhat moot, but it just seems an engineering problem that we dont really need. We have wind tunnels, clever engineers and there is no real reason why we cant engineer a normal mirror to be better, sleeker and much cheaper than some sort of pod style thing.
Mirrors are notoriously difficult to style as the trailing edge has to be a flat piece of glass, which aerodynamically is always a bad start.Murph7355 said:
chrispmartha said:
The exterior design looks great, but that interior and those wing ‘mirrors’ are hideous
I think I agree.Even the outside looks very colour sensitive.
https://youtu.be/vNZhDqoj8Ws?t=580s
As a varifocal wearer in his late fifties I'm not looking forward to digital 'mirrors' becoming widespread.
I can look straight ahead or look at objects in my door mirrors without changing my focus, because they're all in the distance - even though the mirror's quite close, the reflected objects aren't.
This doesn't work with a screen, meaning the eyes have to refocus every time you look at it and you lose the 3D aspect - young drivers might not notice, but it's likely to be a real problem for someone older and it might be necessary to move your head if you're wearing varifocals.
I already have this problem with some infotainment touchscreens - in my case I can use one mounted high on the dash but anything low-down is too far away to see without looking down because otherwise it would be the near-vision part of the lens.
I'm not in the market for one of these, but in future lack of true mirrors could well be a deal-breaker depending on where the screens are sited.
I can look straight ahead or look at objects in my door mirrors without changing my focus, because they're all in the distance - even though the mirror's quite close, the reflected objects aren't.
This doesn't work with a screen, meaning the eyes have to refocus every time you look at it and you lose the 3D aspect - young drivers might not notice, but it's likely to be a real problem for someone older and it might be necessary to move your head if you're wearing varifocals.
I already have this problem with some infotainment touchscreens - in my case I can use one mounted high on the dash but anything low-down is too far away to see without looking down because otherwise it would be the near-vision part of the lens.
I'm not in the market for one of these, but in future lack of true mirrors could well be a deal-breaker depending on where the screens are sited.
Edited by HalfManHalfJaffaCake on Sunday 25th April 21:41
HalfManHalfJaffaCake said:
As a varifocal wearer in his late fifties I'm not looking forward to digital 'mirrors' becoming widespread.
I can look straight ahead or look at objects in my door mirrors without changing my focus, because they're all in the distance - even though the mirror's quite close, the reflected objects aren't.
This doesn't work with a screen, meaning the eyes have to refocus every time you look at it and you lose the 3D aspect - young drivers might not notice, but it's likely to be a real problem for someone older and it might be necessary to move your head if you're wearing varifocals.
I already have this problem with some infotainment touchscreens - in my case I can use one mounted high on the dash but anything low-down is too far away to see without looking down because otherwise it would be the near-vision part of the lens.
I'm not in the market for one of these, but in future lack of true mirrors could well be a deal-breaker depending on where the screens are sited.
Know where you're coming from - my prescription is quite mild but my second set of varfocals are stronger at both ends and like you I can get the occasional problem with the central console - actually thinking of going for separate glasses next time which may make video door mirrors more of an issue. Of course it depends on whether you can focus them like with a camera view finderI can look straight ahead or look at objects in my door mirrors without changing my focus, because they're all in the distance - even though the mirror's quite close, the reflected objects aren't.
This doesn't work with a screen, meaning the eyes have to refocus every time you look at it and you lose the 3D aspect - young drivers might not notice, but it's likely to be a real problem for someone older and it might be necessary to move your head if you're wearing varifocals.
I already have this problem with some infotainment touchscreens - in my case I can use one mounted high on the dash but anything low-down is too far away to see without looking down because otherwise it would be the near-vision part of the lens.
I'm not in the market for one of these, but in future lack of true mirrors could well be a deal-breaker depending on where the screens are sited.
Edited by HalfManHalfJaffaCake on Sunday 25th April 21:41
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