New Hyundai Ioniq 5

[2Btoo]

zayn said:

very nice ,

https://youtu.be/vNZhDqoj8Ws

Judging by the amount of attention that guy is paying to the road while driving I assume it has an autopilot system, and a damned good one at that?

[TheRainMaker]

The styling is not for me, but with so many plus points it’s going to be a very popular car.

100km added in 5 mins with the right charger.
250-300 mile real world range
Charge station opens up a whole world of new uses
0-60 in 5 sec for the fast one
5 year unlimited mile warranty

Two good reviews here.

The late brake Show
https://youtu.be/A6RsmzCYB3I

Fully charged
https://youtu.be/c2tHJD6mMbE

[kambites]

TheRainMaker said:

Fully charged
https://youtu.be/c2tHJD6mMbE

That one appears to have conventional mirrors?

[TheRainMaker]

kambites said:

TheRainMaker said:

Fully charged
https://youtu.be/c2tHJD6mMbE

That one appears to have conventional mirrors?

I think you can upgrade "appears" to "it 100% has conventional mirrors"

[kambites]

I wonder if the digital ones are an option, or only available in certain geographies.

[TheRainMaker]

kambites said:

I wonder if the digital ones are an option, or only available in certain geographies.

Could be an option, all of the pictures on the UK website show normal mirrors, only one video shows cameras.

[dapprman]

kambites said:

I wonder if the digital ones are an option, or only available in certain geographies.

The South Korean reviews had their two trim levels with them as standard at the higher level and an option at the lower. For the two reviews I saw the views were split, one reckoned they were a nice to have but not worth the cost, the other felt they were a must have.

I'm more interested in which battery we get over here - US gets a larger capacity to South Korea - 77 v 72.6 - quick look online suggests we get the slightly smaller one.

[sjg]

The one Jonny is driving has conventional mirrors but I noticed when indicating it shows a low-down (along the sides of the car) view on the screen. I'm guessing the camera is there anyway for the 360 parking view but it's a neat touch to use it as a way to eliminate that blind spot a bit like some HGVs do now.

(right here: https://youtu.be/A6RsmzCYB3I?t=1053)

The key thing for me is if they can hit £35k (before grant) territory - I suspect they won't, but it'll be interesting to see what else they offer on this E-GMP platform.

Edited by sjg on Monday 26th April 11:36

[SWoll]

So £45k for the launch edition with the dual motors.

Be interesting to see what the real world range is with a 70kW pack, any weight/drag numbers been published yet?

[kambites]

sjg said:

The key thing for me is if they can hit £35k (before grant) territory - I suspect they won't, but it'll be interesting to see what else they offer on this E-GMP platform.

There's no chance it's going to be sub-£35k, IMO. I'd be surprised (and impressed) if it's under £40k given the specs and what's being charged for the competition.

Edited by kambites on Monday 26th April 11:38

[kambites]

SWoll said:

Be interesting to see what the real world range is with a 70kW pack, any weight/drag numbers been published yet?

It will.

Hyundai/Kia have been the kings of real-world efficiency for a while but this is a considerably bigger, heavier car than their other EVs.

[SWoll]

kambites said:

sjg said:

The key thing for me is if they can hit £35k (before grant) territory - I suspect they won't, but it'll be interesting to see what else they offer on this E-GMP platform.

There's no chance it's going to be sub-£35k, IMO. I'd be surprised (and impressed) if it's under £40k given the specs and what's being charged for the competition.

Edited by kambites on Monday 26th April 11:38

The RWD version with the 58kW battery should get close but expect £37k. Looks OK value but nothing special on paper when compared to the base ID4 with 77kW battery for £40k, unless you can really take advantage of the fast charging speeds and bit more practicality.

Going to be very interesting to see if Hyundai/Kia can take on the likes of VW at the price point. £40 and £50k cars are considerably out of their usual comfort zone as they have proven with the low sales of the Stinger GTS, despite it being considered an excellent product and bit of a bargain. i wish them luck.

Edited by SWoll on Monday 26th April 11:55

[JonChalk]

SWoll said:

kambites said:

sjg said:

The key thing for me is if they can hit £35k (before grant) territory - I suspect they won't, but it'll be interesting to see what else they offer on this E-GMP platform.

There's no chance it's going to be sub-£35k, IMO. I'd be surprised (and impressed) if it's under £40k given the specs and what's being charged for the competition.

Edited by kambites on Monday 26th April 11:38

The RWD version with the 58kW battery should get close but expect £37k. Looks OK value but nothing special on paper when compared to the base ID4 with 77kW battery for £40k, unless you can really take advantage of the fast charging speeds and bit more practicality.

Going to be very interesting to see if Hyundai/Kia can take on the likes of VW at the price point.

Chris from Battery Life has been playing with the EU configurator ( https://www.youtube.com/c/BatteryLife/videos ), and has prices running from EUR 42k to EUR 65k.

Be interesting to see GBP prices as straight exchange rate TODAY would suggest £36.6k to £56.5k.

[raspy]

I hope these get used as cabs here. Looks way more comfy at the back than the E-niro/ID3 that I recently had as cabs.

[SWoll]

JonChalk said:

Chris from Battery Life has been playing with the EU configurator ( https://www.youtube.com/c/BatteryLife/videos ), and has prices running from EUR 42k to EUR 65k.

Be interesting to see GBP prices as straight exchange rate TODAY would suggest £36.6k to £56.5k.

Quite a few what I would consider basic options buried in packs that surprise me at the price, and those packs aren't cheap either?



Reading the comments it would appear a few people think the same.

Edited by SWoll on Monday 26th April 12:37

[raspy]

SWoll said:

Quite a few what I would consider basic options buried in packs that surprise me at the price, and those packs aren't cheap either?



Reading the comments it would appear a few people think the same.

Edited by SWoll on Monday 26th April 12:37

Well that seems to be a growing trend for manufacturers to have lots of different packs. Surely in the UK when it comes down to it it all depends upon the monthly payments whether it's PCP or lease? Even if the price is much higher than expected when you throw in all the packs maybe the monthly payments will be half decent, assuming they limit the supply to minimise depreciation and keep demand high?

[SWoll]

raspy said:

Well that seems to be a growing trend for manufacturers to have lots of different packs. Surely in the UK when it comes down to it it all depends upon the monthly payments whether it's PCP or lease? Even if the price is much higher than expected when you throw in all the packs maybe the monthly payments will be half decent, assuming they limit the supply to minimise depreciation and keep demand high?

The problem with options and option packs is that on PCH/PCP deals the entire cost is often payable during the term as deemed as having no residual value (which is obviously BS) so can have a significant effect on the monthly cost over a 3 year deal for example.

[kambites]

SWoll said:

...(which is obviously BS)...

Is it? Optional extras (other than the drivetrain) may have a small effect on second-hand values but it's rarely significant - adding a £5k options pack might add £500 to the car's value at three years old but it's usually no more than that from what I've seen.

Obviously there are exceptions, but generally speaking the depreciation on optional extras over the term of a typical lease is huge even if it's not qutie 100%.

[SWoll]

kambites said:

SWoll said:

...(which is obviously BS)...

Is it? Optional extras (other than the drivetrain) may have a small effect on second-hand values but it's rarely significant - adding a £5k options pack might add £500 to the car's value at three years old but it's usually no more than that from what I've seen.

Obviously there are exceptions, but generally speaking the depreciation on optional extras over the term of a typical lease is huge even if it's not qutie 100%.

I'm not convinced a 3 year old car with £5k of options will only be worth £500 more than a base car, but either way releasing a car with a poor base spec and getting options paid for over a short term lease is definitely a smart move from the manufacturers to generate good looking headline RRP and finance figures.

The options here are expensive too, genuinely not far from what Porche charge for the same things on a Taycan.

[kambites]

SWoll said:

The options here are expensive too, genuinely not far from what Porche charge for the same things on a Taycan.

Interesting philosophical point - should an option on a cheap car be cheaper than the same option on an expensive car? The base price of the car makes no difference ot the cost of adding the option (although it may affect the number of units the R&D cost is split over).