New Hyundai Ioniq 5
Discussion
SWoll said:
I do wish they wouldn't test fully loaded cars on these review videos, point out all the cool stuff and then give base spec prices.
According to the euro configurator it'll cost almost £60k for a similarly equipped car to the one Jonny can be seen testing.
Do they have a choice in which version they can test? I'm not sure they do. Aren't the press cars provided by manufacturers usually top spec with lots of options?According to the euro configurator it'll cost almost £60k for a similarly equipped car to the one Jonny can be seen testing.
raspy said:
Do they have a choice in which version they can test? I'm not sure they do. Aren't the press cars provided by manufacturers usually top spec with lots of options?
No, but if journalists made it clear what the car they're testing actually costs, manufacturers might stop only supplying cars with every possible option fitted. 
kambites said:
raspy said:
Do they have a choice in which version they can test? I'm not sure they do. Aren't the press cars provided by manufacturers usually top spec with lots of options?
No, but if journalists made it clear what the car they're testing actually costs, manufacturers might stop only supplying cars with every possible option fitted. kambites said:
raspy said:
Do they have a choice in which version they can test? I'm not sure they do. Aren't the press cars provided by manufacturers usually top spec with lots of options?
No, but if journalists made it clear what the car they're testing actually costs, manufacturers might stop only supplying cars with every possible option fitted. 
That's my point exactly. Going to be a lot of surprised or disappointed owners if they think they're getting that level of kit for the price quoted. No issue with it being fitted as makes sense, just point it out.
Smiljan said:
I sort of agree Swoll but it's a bit tricky for them to review the options if they aren't fitted. Whatever you do, don't look at the Taycan configurator.
That can get up to some serious numbers if you play with options.
That can get up to some serious numbers if you play with options.
Edited by Smiljan on Wednesday 28th April 19:26
Regular user of the Taycan configurator, was on it just this afternoon in fact due to a conversation on another thread. Someone had managed to add £40k of 'essential' options to an £85k 4S. It is Porsche though so par for the course, wouldn't have expected to be able to add £15k of options to a £45k Hyundai?
ajprice said:
They'll put the options on, especially the new techy gadget stuff, to show it off. If the new model is announced to have autopilot, 360 dashcam, tank steering or mains power outlets, but the press cars don't have any of that then they can't really review the new stuff.
Which is fine, as long as the reviewers review it as the £60k car it is. kambites said:
Which is fine, as long as the reviewers review it as the £60k car it is.
Agreed. Matt used to do the Carwow reviews with a clear breakdown of what you got standard in each level of the range, what was an add-on and indiciative costs of the add-on if available. It seems to be less and less common in the videos, just constant requests for us to click more and more pop-out banners.I want to see the fully spec'd car and to see what is or isn't worth adding on, I just don't want to be under the impression that the £70k car I'm looking at is a £45k with just a £2k paint option added on.
J1990 said:
kambites said:
Which is fine, as long as the reviewers review it as the £60k car it is.
Agreed. Matt used to do the Carwow reviews with a clear breakdown of what you got standard in each level of the range, what was an add-on and indiciative costs of the add-on if available. It seems to be less and less common in the videos, just constant requests for us to click more and more pop-out banners.I want to see the fully spec'd car and to see what is or isn't worth adding on, I just don't want to be under the impression that the £70k car I'm looking at is a £45k with just a £2k paint option added on.
The next issue being the way options are now being grouped in 'packs' where to get certain things you are forced to pay through the nose for a load of stuff you might not want.
SWoll said:
100%
The next issue being the way options are now being grouped in 'packs' where to get certain things you are forced to pay through the nose for a load of stuff you might not want.
I was pricing up an X5 45e as an option a month or so ago. £75k car, active cruise control? Yeah that's part of the tech pro pack so add another £4500. What???The next issue being the way options are now being grouped in 'packs' where to get certain things you are forced to pay through the nose for a load of stuff you might not want.
SWoll said:
The next issue being the way options are now being grouped in 'packs' where to get certain things you are forced to pay through the nose for a load of stuff you might not want.
Or even worse, you're forced to have options you specifically don't want to get ones you do. An example of that would when we were looking at the Mg ZS EV the year before last - the panoramic sunroof is lovely, but you can't have it without the god-awful fake leather seats. kambites said:
Or even worse, you're forced to have options you specifically don't want to get ones you do. An example of that would when we were looking at the Mg ZS EV the year before last - the panoramic sunroof is lovely, but you can't have it without the god-awful fake leather seats.
Don't option packs serve two purposes, for the manufacturer? Helps to streamline production and helps to increase profit margins raspy said:
Don't option packs serve two purposes, for the manufacturer? Helps to streamline production and helps to increase profit margins
I think they also simplify type approval - not sure if it's true but I read somewhere that some tests have to be run with every possible combination of options. I like it on the outside, except the strange small verticle line below the bonnet. What's that all about? It looks like the huge boat at the start of The Spy Who Loved Me, the front is about to open up and swallow a smaller car. Just a very very very odd styling feature.
Normal door mirrors for me thanks, camera mirrors are answering a question that doesn't exist.
Interior is the deal-breaker though, as with soooo many of these EVs. Just looks like a small child's toy inside sadly. Real shame as it was defo on my radar. Not every manufacturer is doing this thankfully. Buttons and knobs please and no mahoosive gap under the dash thanks, that's just wrong.
Normal door mirrors for me thanks, camera mirrors are answering a question that doesn't exist.
Interior is the deal-breaker though, as with soooo many of these EVs. Just looks like a small child's toy inside sadly. Real shame as it was defo on my radar. Not every manufacturer is doing this thankfully. Buttons and knobs please and no mahoosive gap under the dash thanks, that's just wrong.
DaveGrohl said:
I like it on the outside, except the strange small verticle line below the bonnet. What's that all about? It looks like the huge boat at the start of The Spy Who Loved Me, the front is about to open up and swallow a smaller car. Just a very very very odd styling feature.
Normal door mirrors for me thanks, camera mirrors are answering a question that doesn't exist.
Interior is the deal-breaker though, as with soooo many of these EVs. Just looks like a small child's toy inside sadly. Real shame as it was defo on my radar. Not every manufacturer is doing this thankfully. Buttons and knobs please and no mahoosive gap under the dash thanks, that's just wrong.
Probably worth noting that the Hyundai does retain a lot of buttons below the screen. Normal door mirrors for me thanks, camera mirrors are answering a question that doesn't exist.
Interior is the deal-breaker though, as with soooo many of these EVs. Just looks like a small child's toy inside sadly. Real shame as it was defo on my radar. Not every manufacturer is doing this thankfully. Buttons and knobs please and no mahoosive gap under the dash thanks, that's just wrong.
Unfortunately the reason things are all moving towards being a giant iPad is that it's 'trendy' and in demand, regardless of whether PH agrees with that, I know for sure I'd rather it wasn't going that way.
DaveGrohl said:
no mahoosive gap under the dash thanks, that's just wrong.
I agree with the buttons bit, but this complaint is purely a question of what you're used to. There's nothing funementally right or wrong, even at an aestetic level, about having a centre console. I would have slight concerns about the passenger putting things in their footwell (as many people do) and them sliding across into the drivers' side though.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 29th April 07:58
DaveGrohl said:
Buttons and knobs please and no mahoosive gap under the dash thanks, that's just wrong.
All personal preference though. Buttons and knobs are very overrated. Get the controls you need regularly on the wheel, and everything else in a neat touch screen. I remember my parents' early '00 E-class, you would have loved it.Smiljan said:
I sort of agree Swoll but it's a bit tricky for them to review the options if they aren't fitted. Whatever you do, don't look at the Taycan configurator.
That can get up to some serious numbers if you play with options.
Harry Metcalfe is good at telling you what the version he's actually testing costs and some of the individual option prices. That can get up to some serious numbers if you play with options.
Edited by Smiljan on Wednesday 28th April 19:26
It's interesting because you always seem to get weirdly good value options then absolutely absurd costs for some others.
kambites said:
I would have slight concerns about the passenger putting things in their footwell (as many people do) and them sliding across into the drivers' side though.
Don't know what you're complaining about when you can keep your heels there? I certainly can't imagine a scenario where that could go horribly wrong..Edited by kambites on Thursday 29th April 07:58
raspy said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
cameras and screens are dirt cheap, 15" HD laptop screens start around £35 retail
at scale i could see it being cheaper to use them than actual wing mirrors, with all the mouldings, glass, motors etc
Well, damage an Audi e-tron digital wing mirror and it ain't cheap to buy a new one. Standard price of 711,28 Euros per side, according to this site at scale i could see it being cheaper to use them than actual wing mirrors, with all the mouldings, glass, motors etc
https://www.oemvwshop.com/4ke857409c-t94-digital-e...
i have always wondered if you bought a complete car in bits from a german dealer how much more it would cost over buying the actual car? 5 times more? 10 times more?
Tbf, all these options pushed me away from Jaguar, Porsche and Audi towards Tesla a couple of years ago.
Adding another 20k of "essential" stuff to an 80k car , often stuff you get as standard on a 50k as well, felt depressing.
That said, I think most reviewers do point out what the cost of the car they are driving is.
But it does paint an incorrect picture in some cases.
Talking about paint though... did they have E.L. James as a designer?
I really like the car but that has put me off some.
Adding another 20k of "essential" stuff to an 80k car , often stuff you get as standard on a 50k as well, felt depressing.
That said, I think most reviewers do point out what the cost of the car they are driving is.
But it does paint an incorrect picture in some cases.
Talking about paint though... did they have E.L. James as a designer?
I really like the car but that has put me off some.
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