New Hyundai Ioniq 5

[off_again]

thebraketester said:

No rear wiper, well documented but still annoying. It would have been easy to hide one beneath the rear wing.

This ^

Why do manufacturers do this? They can attempt to justify it based on the 'aerodynamics' and 'efficiency'. But what about visibility? I still remember when you could get rear wipers on Subaru saloons and some other Japanese cars. I thought it was bloody brilliant at the time. Why not on hatchbacks now?

[BobToc]

So having had the Polestar 2 veto’d the authorities on size grounds I’m now looking at one of these. Anything I should be looking out for spec-wise when it comes to single motor 73kwh 2021 models?

[DSLiverpool]

Try and get one with pop out door handles - lovely

[thebraketester]

DSLiverpool said:

Try and get one with pop out door handles - lovely

100% if possible... the handles are an arse ache.

[LivLL]

BobToc said:

So having had the Polestar 2 veto’d the authorities on size grounds I’m now looking at one of these. Anything I should be looking out for spec-wise when it comes to single motor 73kwh 2021 models?

Dimension	Polestar 2	Hyundai Ioniq 5
Length	181.2 inches (4,605 mm)	182.5 inches (4,635 mm)
Width	70.9 inches (1,800 mm)	74.4 inches (1,890 mm)
Height	58.2 inches (1,477 mm)	63.0 inches (1,605 mm)
Wheelbase	107.7 inches (2,735 mm)	118.1 inches (3,000 mm)

The 5 is a surprisingly large car, unless you meant the Polestar 2 was too small...

[Silverage]

thebraketester said:

DSLiverpool said:

Try and get one with pop out door handles - lovely

100% if possible... the handles are an arse ache.

Seconded and thirded.

No pop-out handles and no rear wiper (although none of them have this) are the worst omissions on this car. The handles are an embarrassment when you're giving someone a lift for the first time and you have to explain how to use them.

[bennno]

Silverage said:

Seconded and thirded.

No pop-out handles and no rear wiper (although none of them have this) are the worst omissions on this car. The handles are an embarrassment when you're giving someone a lift for the first time and you have to explain how to use them.

My view is that it keeps thick people out

[Silverage]

bennno said:

My view is that it keeps thick people out

I don't think opening a car door should be made into some sort of intelligence test

[BobToc]

LivLL said:

The 5 is a surprisingly large car, unless you meant the Polestar 2 was too small...

I did, yeah. I was fine with the P2, but I can foresee what will happen if I overrule on the two or three occasions a year we need the extra space!

Anyway, the 5 looks great, so I’m not terribly disappointed. All seems pleasingly straightforward.

[Still Mulling]

Holy thread resurrection, Batman!

(Na na na na naaa!)

I see that 73 kWh Premiums with ~25-30k on the odometer are dipping just under £25k. All of a sudden they are 3-4 year cost-of-ownership competitive with £18k ICE vehicles. Depending on what happens with my work's vehicle scheme, I may end up taking the cash and buying an Ioniq 5 privately.

Any thoughts from either:

a) Longer term owners who have gone through all seasons and seen potential battery degradation?
b) Used buyers with tips of things to look out for?

Thanks!

[Blockbuster]

Still Mulling said:

Holy thread resurrection, Batman!

(Na na na na naaa!)

I see that 73 kWh Premiums with ~25-30k on the odometer are dipping just under £25k. All of a sudden they are 3-4 year cost-of-ownership competitive with £18k ICE vehicles. Depending on what happens with my work's vehicle scheme, I may end up taking the cash and buying an Ioniq 5 privately.

Any thoughts from either:

a) Longer term owners who have gone through all seasons and seen potential battery degradation?
b) Used buyers with tips of things to look out for?

Thanks!

I’m 14 months into the lease of my Ultimate and had no issues.

I am on the Ioniq 5 group on Reddit and the common issue s seem to be the 12v battery dying, and the ICCU needing replaced.

Also the long wait time for repairs if you get into an accident.

The only “issue” I have had is the cost of tyres (£300 each for Michelin Pilot Sport EV).

I’ll definitely consider buying a used Ioniq 5 when my lease is up.

[PetrolHeadInRecovery]

Still Mulling said:

Holy thread resurrection, Batman!

(Na na na na naaa!)

I see that 73 kWh Premiums with ~25-30k on the odometer are dipping just under £25k. All of a sudden they are 3-4 year cost-of-ownership competitive with £18k ICE vehicles. Depending on what happens with my work's vehicle scheme, I may end up taking the cash and buying an Ioniq 5 privately.

Any thoughts from either:

a) Longer term owners who have gone through all seasons and seen potential battery degradation?
b) Used buyers with tips of things to look out for?

Thanks!

Coming up with a year and a bit over 30,000km. The first winter was very much the learning period. The 1000 km trip to the Netherlands (from Geneva) on the second week of ownership taught us to be a bit careful with range estimates when heavy headwind dumps wet snow on the road. Close to the worst-case scenario, but a non-issue once you learn to pick a bit closer fast charger from the navigation (and not freaking out when the preconditioning kicks in and the range estimate drops). With battery preconditioning, the charging speed seems to be the same at 0 or 35 degrees C. It might even be a bit faster at 0 than at 35, the battery cooling seems to take its toll during and after the charge.

Heavy snowfall will block sensors, but I don't think I5 fundamentally differs from any other modern car. Not a major hassle: after the initial "bings", you have just the warning light on the adaptive cruise control is disabled (I wouldn't use it in slippery conditions anyway, but I'm a Luddite)

Switching to winter tyres increases the consumption by ~10% in warm weather. The impact of heating depends a lot on the temperature setting and the fan speed. Warm air to the windshield at 18 degrees & slowest fan speed doesn't make much difference to the range at 3-5 degrees (2-3%?). 22 degrees inside when it is -10 outside on auto setting might reduce the range by 20% (vague memory from the first week; it hasn't been that cold since then).

19" tyres help with the range and might cope better with potholes; test-driving a car with 20" didn't feel that different to ours. If you need to choose options, the trailer hook was more useful than the roof rack/box. I have a bike carrier now, kicking myself for not getting the one you could put a cargo box on. The car is pretty wide and tall, which makes installing the box and accessing stuff inside a bit of a pain (even though I'm over 190cm tall).

[Still Mulling]

Thanks, blockbuster. The 12V is also a weak point on my wife's Ioniq 38 kWh.

PetrolHeadInRecovery said:

Coming up with a year and a bit over 30,000km. The first winter was very much the learning period. The 1000 km trip to the Netherlands (from Geneva) on the second week of ownership taught us to be a bit careful with range estimates when heavy headwind dumps wet snow on the road. Close to the worst-case scenario, but a non-issue once you learn to pick a bit closer fast charger from the navigation (and not freaking out when the preconditioning kicks in and the range estimate drops). With battery preconditioning, the charging speed seems to be the same at 0 or 35 degrees C. It might even be a bit faster at 0 than at 35, the battery cooling seems to take its toll during and after the charge.

Heavy snowfall will block sensors, but I don't think I5 fundamentally differs from any other modern car. Not a major hassle: after the initial "bings", you have just the warning light on the adaptive cruise control is disabled (I wouldn't use it in slippery conditions anyway, but I'm a Luddite)

Switching to winter tyres increases the consumption by ~10% in warm weather. The impact of heating depends a lot on the temperature setting and the fan speed. Warm air to the windshield at 18 degrees & slowest fan speed doesn't make much difference to the range at 3-5 degrees (2-3%?). 22 degrees inside when it is -10 outside on auto setting might reduce the range by 20% (vague memory from the first week; it hasn't been that cold since then).

19" tyres help with the range and might cope better with potholes; test-driving a car with 20" didn't feel that different to ours. If you need to choose options, the trailer hook was more useful than the roof rack/box. I have a bike carrier now, kicking myself for not getting the one you could put a cargo box on. The car is pretty wide and tall, which makes installing the box and accessing stuff inside a bit of a pain (even though I'm over 190cm tall).

Thanks, PHIR. As you say, sensor blocking will be an issue on many/most modern vehicles, as will fuel consumption regardless of fuel-form when switching to higher rolling-resistance tyres.

The hook vs. roof-prep. could be an interesting one for me. I'm expecting to need a four-bike solution in the not too distant future. At also over 190 cm the roof still seems like a stretch for me. It also will have a bigger effect on range, I expect. Can the tow-bar be added after production? I.e. was prep. an option, or the tow-bar itself?

[PetrolHeadInRecovery]

Still Mulling said:

The hook vs. roof-prep. could be an interesting one for me. I'm expecting to need a four-bike solution in the not too distant future. At also over 190 cm the roof still seems like a stretch for me. It also will have a bigger effect on range, I expect. Can the tow-bar be added after production? I.e. was prep. an option, or the tow-bar itself?

In Switzerland the trailer hook is usually installed by the dealership (instead of the factory), so I'd imagine installing it afterwards is possible. Ordering the hook when buying the car made sense because the hitch needs to be noted in the registration, so an aftermarket solution later on would mean paying the registration fee again.

With Thule carriers, you can fit the fourth bike with an adapter to a three-bike carrier (the fourth bike is still to be tested) and with the Velospace model (that we should have gotten, in hindsight), there's the cargo box you can put on the bike carrier. Access to the trunk is still pretty good with the carrier:



And I have yet to see a parking garage you could enter with the bikes on a roof rack...

It is hard to say anything definitive about the range, mostly short trips up the hills/mountains so far. The moment the bike carrier is plugged in, the car drops the estimated remaining range quite a lot and even if you choose a light trailer in the options the estimate seems quite pessimistic.

Edited by PetrolHeadInRecovery on Thursday 14th December 17:07

[Still Mulling]

Nice set up; thanks for sharing! When you say that the range estimate, "...drops significantly...", to what degree are you seeing? <200 miles?

[PetrolHeadInRecovery]

Still Mulling said:

Nice set up; thanks for sharing! When you say that the range estimate, "...drops significantly...", to what degree are you seeing? <200 miles?

My vague memory is that when the estimate was about 275km, installing the bike carrier and plugging it in dropped the estimate down to something like 230km (partially charged battery). No real difference on the mountain roads, higher speeds the difference is noticeable but nothing like what is reported when towing an actual trailer.

[Still Mulling]

OK. Not as much as I feared, to be honest!

[PetrolHeadInRecovery]

Still Mulling said:

OK. Not as much as I feared, to be honest!

Admittedly, we are somewhat below the average consumption reported for similar cars (mostly German users). Ioniq 5 seems fairly sensitive to driving style, and I might subconsciously look for more optimisation opportunities.

[mikeiow]

Just on the 12V weak point…..also true (generally) on Kona EVs. Not sure why Hyundai would be the only ones with issues (maybe they aren’t)l

Ours lasted over 3 years, & we carry a small USB battery starter pack which meant it was minor inconvenience instead of a major showstopper: highly recommended.
Also installed a small BM2 battery monitor: gives you the ability to check it with an app.

[fatjon]

EV6 which I think is the same platform also has the battery problem. On my second EV6 now and both had frequent flat 12 volt batteries until 2 months ago when I chucked the Kia battery and put in a Yuasa one. Never happened since then. I’m told the Kia dealers are only replacing like for like which solves nothing. So it’s easy dealt with and the cars are fantastic, especially the silly fast variants.