Gridserve / Ecotricity deal

[aestetix1]

Why does every thread have to have some fellating Elon Musk? This isn't about Tesla and plenty of us are just fine without them.

[Heres Johnny]

aestetix1 said:

Why does every thread have to have some fellating Elon Musk? This isn't about Tesla and plenty of us are just fine without them.

The discussion was how the public networks outside Tesla is improving and in some situations how they are starting to outperform Tesla, and in doing so starting to break the USP Tesla have/had - if you see that as fellating Elon Musk you're watching the wrong type of porn.

Otherwise this thread is made for you - a Etron "turd" as you like to call them charging faster than a "Tesla".. that must be causing some conflict in your mind about which side you're on

[LordFlathead]

Heres Johnny said:

You’re far to defensive and incorrect in places

Pros and cons of both, but if you can’t welcome what’s happening and see the benefits then that’s pretty sad,

Not defensive at all and it shouldn't read that way, it is a statement of fact and if you are calling me out on being incorrect at least have the common decency to point out which facts are incorrect.

I started my EV journey in 2012 and have had 8 non-Tesla years experience of horrific public charging. I'm done with them. I cover around 30-40k miles per year on business and last year I had a choice of a BMW 745e, a Taycan 4S, Pornstar 2, a iPace 400 HSE or a Tesla S or 3. All of those non-Tesla cars could not guarantee timely meets with my clients so the choice was S or 3. S won't fit in my tiny London garage and Tesla offered a year of free Supercharging with the 3, so I took the 3. Mass adoption has started and our current public charging network cannot deal with the demand now. They need banks and banks of public chargers not one or two and even though there are strong rumours they are coming, they're not here yet.

I'm not a Tesla fanboy, I'm a Porsche fanboy but I would still have the same charging issues. Tesla's charging network works for me as an individual as I am always travelling and do not have time to wait for a working charger or queue for the use of one. You've owned two Model S's - they have been capped severely due to fires and failing battery packs. This is the reason you don't get good charging speeds. We don't have those issues with the M3 as you can see by my screenshot.

Back on topic; If you have an EV as a part time car then probably not an issue if you don't mind waiting or paying through the nose for the privilege. However as a "one car does all" replacing ICE during the week, then you still cannot beat a Tesla for getting you there...

Is this not the prime motive for buying a car?

[Heres Johnny]

LordFlathead said:

Not defensive at all and it shouldn't read that way, it is a statement of fact and if you are calling me out on being incorrect at least have the common decency to point out which facts are incorrect.

Apologies for you not reading my post properly so I'll sign post the inaccuracies for you

Heres Johnny said:

LordFlathead said:

1) Shell rates @£0.39p per kw/h. So 50KW costs £19.50!! Not cheap at all.
2) Tesla rates @£0.25p per kw/h. So 50KW costs £12.50

Supercharger costs haven’t been that price for a while, the prices have gone up

and

Heres Johnny said:

LordFlathead said:

4) He was very lucky to find TWO chargers not occupied for his test - you can see Mr. Leaf turn up wanting a charge but as he had both chargers he drove to look for somewhere else. That never happens in a Tesla.

I’ve waited several times for a free (super)charger, and had many many more times where I’ve shared a supply in a V2 charger and been limited to 60kw. V2 are still the most common supercharger

Edited by Heres Johnny on Friday 19th March 07:46

[LordFlathead]

Heres Johnny said:

LordFlathead said:

Not defensive at all and it shouldn't read that way, it is a statement of fact and if you are calling me out on being incorrect at least have the common decency to point out which facts are incorrect.

Apologies for you not reading my post properly so I'll sign post the inaccuracies for you

Heres Johnny said:

LordFlathead said:

1) Shell rates @£0.39p per kw/h. So 50KW costs £19.50!! Not cheap at all.
2) Tesla rates @£0.25p per kw/h. So 50KW costs £12.50

Supercharger costs haven’t been that price for a while, the prices have gone up

and

Heres Johnny said:

LordFlathead said:

4) He was very lucky to find TWO chargers not occupied for his test - you can see Mr. Leaf turn up wanting a charge but as he had both chargers he drove to look for somewhere else. That never happens in a Tesla.

I’ve waited several times for a free (super)charger, and had many many more times where I’ve shared a supply in a V2 charger and been limited to 60kw. V2 are still the most common supercharger

Edited by Heres Johnny on Friday 19th March 07:46 who clearly cannot write a post first time without having to correct it

Supercharging prices were quoted against Shell Rapid prices as a comparison which is in context with the OP. 25p is reasonable considering most peak tariffs at home are around 18p. 39p is not reasonable IMO and then you have to queue for the privilege when you get there.

I have only once shared a charger with another in an 8 stall bay. It's not hard to add 50 miles range then go to the next one, it only delays your journey slightly. Of course your outdated Model S will never charge at the same speed as a Model 3 because technology moves on just as prices increase. I'm sure there is enough info there for you to find something else to bh about...

[anonymous-user]

BP Pulse announces more chargers!

https://bpchargemaster.com/new-bp-pulse-ultra-fast...

24 ultra-fast chargers in critical locations.

Safe to say, the charging network is now evolving at a rapid rate :-)

[Evanivitch]

Gridserve announce their immediate plans and it looks like great news for the non-Tesla EV ownership.

All legacy Electric Highway points to be hardware updated by end of September 2021 (approx 150 sites).

50 sites will be upgraded to hubs, with 6-12 chargers with CCS, Chademo and AC support.

Customer service charter to meet good service objectives for all users.

Many more forecourts planned to support community and destination charging.

https://www.gridserve.com/2021/06/30/gridserve-lau...

[sjg]

Tesla-style autocharge too. No faffing with apps or cards once you're set up.

[l354uge]

If only gridserve were around back in 2015 piling in this investment. The "charging is a faff" argument with EVs would be dead by now.

Good to see much more Shell and BP garages with proper charging facilities trying to catch up.

Still amazed McDonald's hasn't announced something big to counter KFCs instavolt agreement yet. The opportunity involved with destination charging must be huge

[sjg]

McDonalds already has a deal with Instavolt. https://instavolt.co.uk/mcdonalds-partners-with-in...

Some are in already - the one at J22 M25 (London Colney) is right off the motorway junction so more convenient than South Mimms.

[l354uge]

sjg said:

McDonalds already has a deal with Instavolt. https://instavolt.co.uk/mcdonalds-partners-with-in...

Some are in already - the one at J22 M25 (London Colney) is right off the motorway junction so more convenient than South Mimms.

Oh excellent! Didn't see any PR for that

[Evanivitch]

l354uge said:

If only gridserve were around back in 2015 piling in this investment. The "charging is a faff" argument with EVs would be dead by now.

Good to see much more Shell and BP garages with proper charging facilities trying to catch up.

Still amazed McDonald's hasn't announced something big to counter KFCs instavolt agreement yet. The opportunity involved with destination charging must be huge

McDonald's sites having be going quite well, first one was Port Talbot and plenty more since.

Believe they've just signed with Costa too, which goes well with their push for drive through sites.

[caseys]

Used the new ABB chargers at Winchester Services both North and South last month which are ecotricity - think they got put in about 2 weeks ago.

[Frimley111R]

Evanivitch said:

l354uge said:

If only gridserve were around back in 2015 piling in this investment. The "charging is a faff" argument with EVs would be dead by now.

Good to see much more Shell and BP garages with proper charging facilities trying to catch up.

Still amazed McDonald's hasn't announced something big to counter KFCs instavolt agreement yet. The opportunity involved with destination charging must be huge

McDonald's sites having be going quite well, first one was Port Talbot and plenty more since.

Believe they've just signed with Costa too, which goes well with their push for drive through sites.

I do feel its a bit of a 'jump on the bandwagon' type decision for KFC and MaccyDs. People spend about 30 mins there, often far less than that. It's hardly worth bothering charging and those that do either leave their cars for hours, blocking others, or block up the restaurant seats as they wait ages for any meaningful charge.

That said, you can make a good return on the charging if you charge(£) properly for it.

[danp]

Frimley111R said:

I do feel its a bit of a 'jump on the bandwagon' type decision for KFC and MaccyDs. People spend about 30 mins there, often far less than that. It's hardly worth bothering charging and those that do either leave their cars for hours, blocking others, or block up the restaurant seats as they wait ages for any meaningful charge.

That said, you can make a good return on the charging if you charge(£) properly for it.

30-40 mins on a rapid charger is all you’d generally need? (or want to spend there!) - they’re not 7kW.

Edited by danp on Friday 2nd July 11:43

[Evanivitch]

Frimley111R said:

I do feel its a bit of a 'jump on the bandwagon' type decision for KFC and MaccyDs. People spend about 30 mins there, often far less than that. It's hardly worth bothering charging and those that do either leave their cars for hours, blocking others, or block up the restaurant seats as they wait ages for any meaningful charge.

That said, you can make a good return on the charging if you charge(£) properly for it.

This is utter rubbish. Even the mediocre 50kW chargers could deliver 25kWh in half an hour, so easily 75 miles of range whilst stopping for food.

If/when faster units like 100kW are installed (like at 2 KFC sites so far) it would be almost double that with a good charging curve.

[JonnyVTEC]

Frimley111R said:

I do feel its a bit of a 'jump on the bandwagon' type decision for KFC and MaccyDs. People spend about 30 mins there, often far less than that. It's hardly worth bothering charging and those that do either leave their cars for hours, blocking others, or block up the restaurant seats as they wait ages for any meaningful charge.

That said, you can make a good return on the charging if you charge(£) properly for it.

Haven’t really thought that through have you?

It’s pretty much the perfect place for a rapid chargers.

Typical “jump on the bandwagon” anti EV post in my view.

[sjg]

Frimley111R said:

I do feel its a bit of a 'jump on the bandwagon' type decision for KFC and MaccyDs. People spend about 30 mins there, often far less than that. It's hardly worth bothering charging and those that do either leave their cars for hours, blocking others, or block up the restaurant seats as they wait ages for any meaningful charge.

That said, you can make a good return on the charging if you charge(£) properly for it.

20 or 30 mins tops on a 50kW rapid, with toilets and coffee and food available is all I need most of the time to get a journey done. Not everyone is needing to fill up 60+kWh EVs.

That London Colney one is perfect for a quick pitstop if I'm heading home on the M25 and either me or the car needs it, I only need 50 miles of range from there to get home so 10 or 15 mins on charge while I grab a drink is spot on.

[Evanivitch]

Just need to be able to order food to the car whilst at the charger...

[LordGrover]

JonnyVTEC said:

Haven’t really thought that through have you?

It’s pretty much the perfect place for a rapid chargers.

Typical “jump on the bandwagon” anti EV post in my view.

Have you not noticed his day job?