MG Marvel R

[zayn]

If they price this right should be a very good replacement for the MG ZS EV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVohkKOwmgM

[kambites]

The refreshed MG5 certainly looks better than the old one. They've sorted out the awful front-end and now it can tow.

It sounded to me as if the new SUV will sit above the ZS rather than replacing it.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th March 17:18

[hiccy18]

Both are impressive, can't believe they're improving the MG5 already, feels like it's barely just gone on sale, has it been on sale in China for a while longer?

What is happening with that funky coupe show car they threatened to put into production?

[Evanivitch]

hiccy18 said:

Both are impressive, can't believe they're improving the MG5 already, feels like it's barely just gone on sale, has it been on sale in China for a while longer?

What is happening with that funky coupe show car they threatened to put into production?

They started selling the old MG5 when it had already been replaced in China!

[biggles330d]

Not sure what to make of it really. There's something unsettling about China buying a historic British sports car brand and wrapping it around an electric SUV range. I watched the clip and thought about the oddness of a German guy and Chinese guy waxing lyrical about an MG product and its value proposition. Then I thought maybe my radar is off because could I imagine a whiskered British guy and a traditional British company really investing hard, reviving a known brand with different products and making a virtue of virtual presentation of new models. Truth is, no. I shouldn't worry about this - we had MG for many years and for many many reasons, as a nation of industrialists, financiers, consumers let it go to the dogs. Reduced to a bauble on the front of an otherwise fairly badly build middling range of everyday cars.

So good on the Chinese and long live MG. I'll be honest, its not a car I'd choose in the same way I have no interest in X3's / Quashqi's / Q3's but I hope it does well. There's a depressing shortage of market choice these days, with many 'competitor' models being nothing much more than different brand alternatives to the same underlying product.

[zayn]

MG is called Roewe in China and this Model X looks very similar so assume these have been out for a while now

https://youtu.be/qDdQIQ_ViRc

[anxious_ant]

zayn said:

MG is called Roewe in China and this Model X looks very similar so assume these have been out for a while now

https://youtu.be/qDdQIQ_ViRc

Some impressive stats there, 4.8s to 60 in a SUV.

However, would anyone seriously consider buying a car designed and manufactured in China?

[ARHarh]

anxious_ant said:

zayn said:

MG is called Roewe in China and this Model X looks very similar so assume these have been out for a while now

https://youtu.be/qDdQIQ_ViRc

Some impressive stats there, 4.8s to 60 in a SUV.

However, would anyone seriously consider buying a car designed and manufactured in China?

Why not the Chinese are rather good at most stuff they do. And they probably produce a lot of parts for the car you drive now. They are very good a learning / copying from the competition.

[superpp]

Only a few months after the MG ZS EV had been on sale, there was a facelift to the ICE models.
Not the best practise if you've just bought one, as you know your EV will soon be dated and depreciate even faster.

[kambites]

anxious_ant said:

However, would anyone seriously consider buying a car designed and manufactured in China?

Yes.

[kambites]

superpp said:

Not the best practise if you've just bought one, as you know your EV will soon be dated and depreciate even faster.

Yet the cheapest ZS EVs are now about £17k, compared to £21k new at release. Hardly catastrophic depreciation over 18 months! Does seem odd that they didn't facelift the EV along with the petrol models though.

[anxious_ant]

ARHarh said:

anxious_ant said:

zayn said:

MG is called Roewe in China and this Model X looks very similar so assume these have been out for a while now

https://youtu.be/qDdQIQ_ViRc

Some impressive stats there, 4.8s to 60 in a SUV.

However, would anyone seriously consider buying a car designed and manufactured in China?

Why not the Chinese are rather good at most stuff they do. And they probably produce a lot of parts for the car you drive now. They are very good a learning / copying from the competition.

Isn't it a bit risky as you are buying something with so much tech from China? Just look at Huawei...

[kambites]

anxious_ant said:

Isn't it a bit risky as you are buying something with so much tech from China? Just look at Huawei...

Depends where the tech is made I guess. Huawei's problem was that they were importing technology from countries where the US has too much political power. Cars don't tend to contain the kind of cutting edge technology which can't be made locally.

I guess it's possible they could lose the right to update Android Auto and Apple Car Play.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th March 19:24

[gregs656]

anxious_ant said:

Isn't it a bit risky as you are buying something with so much tech from China? Just look at Huawei...

Tesla are building cars in China and shipping them to Europe.

edit: the counterpoint to Huawei is more or less every other tech company in the world - Apple etc. Tons of tech comes out of China.

[anxious_ant]

gregs656 said:

anxious_ant said:

Isn't it a bit risky as you are buying something with so much tech from China? Just look at Huawei...

Tesla are building cars in China and shipping them to Europe.

edit: the counterpoint to Huawei is more or less every other tech company in the world - Apple etc. Tons of tech comes out of China.

Yes, but Tesla is not designed in China, so no risk of any sabotage.
The only link is manufacturing, which for a company like Tesla, can be relocated to another country easily.
Spending £20-30k on a Chinese EV is extemely risky. given the current climate.

Apple is already moving it's manufacturing out of China, and is projected to continue ramping this up in FY21.

[kambites]

I'd have no concerns buying a Chinese made car now.

[GT911]

Lots of German and French EV styling cues all blended together!

[ZesPak]

This thread has a distinct lack of pictures.

I think it looks great, much less like a budget offering.



It's also nice they redid the MG5

I'm not sure, it looks like a simple facelift but makes it look a LOT better, and a lot less like a rip off of a 15yo VW design.

The fact that they don't have a 'family face' to stick to is great imho. They can ditch almost the entire grill, unlike legacy manufacturers who cling to fake grills for that brand recoginition.

Would love to see a city car coming from them.

Edited by ZesPak on Friday 19th March 00:12

[gregs656]

anxious_ant said:

Yes, but Tesla is not designed in China, so no risk of any sabotage.
The only link is manufacturing, which for a company like Tesla, can be relocated to another country easily.
Spending £20-30k on a Chinese EV is extemely risky. given the current climate.

Apple is already moving it's manufacturing out of China, and is projected to continue ramping this up in FY21.

Apples move is because of tariffs though, and that could change now Biden is in.

I don’t think building a car factory is easy anywhere.

Your original comment was ‘so much tech from China’, not ‘something designed in China’.

I don’t think it is risky, they’ve been selling EVs in the UK for a couple of years now without bother.

[anxious_ant]

gregs656 said:

I don’t think it is risky, they’ve been selling EVs in the UK for a couple of years now without bother.

That's positive news. More viable and interesting EV options is good, with the impending death of ICE soon.