Porsche Taycan
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Yeah, pricing is all over the place!
Base Tesla Model S in the US is $79,990 while a base Taycan 4S (probably the best comparison given the MS is dual motor too) is $103,800. Clearly though, the Taycan can well exceed that if you throw a few options at it. However, I would note that Porsche USA actually bundles into packages for common options which is a saving over getting them separately. However, there is a big jump if you get a little click happy on the configurator.
Is the Taycan worth $24k more? Well, we could get picky here and of course Porsche still gets the $7500 federal rebate, so thats down to $16k difference. You can argue about some of the materials, quality of components and it is a much nicer car to drive. But if you value range, 0-60 performance and the charging network, thats OK - personal choice. Some people want customization, handling, ride and driving dynamics. You just have to pay for the privilege, though the gap isnt quite as large as it might seem.
Base Tesla Model S in the US is $79,990 while a base Taycan 4S (probably the best comparison given the MS is dual motor too) is $103,800. Clearly though, the Taycan can well exceed that if you throw a few options at it. However, I would note that Porsche USA actually bundles into packages for common options which is a saving over getting them separately. However, there is a big jump if you get a little click happy on the configurator.
Is the Taycan worth $24k more? Well, we could get picky here and of course Porsche still gets the $7500 federal rebate, so thats down to $16k difference. You can argue about some of the materials, quality of components and it is a much nicer car to drive. But if you value range, 0-60 performance and the charging network, thats OK - personal choice. Some people want customization, handling, ride and driving dynamics. You just have to pay for the privilege, though the gap isnt quite as large as it might seem.
It's kind of amazing that a car company which launched it's first volume model less than 10yrs ago can be compared with the latest Porsche model with all their history.
Elon may be a bit of a loose cannon on twitter (and maybe a t**t) at times, but he certinaly knows how to get stuff done.
Elon may be a bit of a loose cannon on twitter (and maybe a t**t) at times, but he certinaly knows how to get stuff done.
WestyCarl said:
It's kind of amazing that a car company which launched it's first volume model less than 10yrs ago can be compared with the latest Porsche model with all their history.
Its all about how you say it.... you could say...Its amazing that a car company with no history in making EV's delivers its first car, a premium model, that has sold over 20,000 in a year and is being compared to the market leader that has been in the market for 8 years!
But equally, given that there is virtually no other choices at the high-end, customers are cross shopping and the motoring journalism market has to do some sort of comparison. Tesla, with the model S is the incumbent and the Taycan is the upstart. I absolutely see a lot of existing Model S owners swapping to Porsche for the latest thing, but that buyer volume is pretty small. Chances are some will swap back to the Model S when the updated model becomes available - its all about the flex.
However, what Porsche is seeing is that they are attracting a "new to EV" buyer though. Maybe they are an existing Porsche owner, looking to step into a premium model or what ever - you dont go from zero to over 20,000 sales and a back-order list that they are struggling to fulfill without it; they arent all Tesla owners. So yeah, there are comparisons and some buyers will be looking at it this way. But a Porsche buyer is very different to a Tesla buyer and I doubt that they are actually cross shopping (though some are).
Not sure if you noticed, but sales of the Panamera have flattened - Taycan has overtaken it and is now the volume seller for the 'saloon / sedan' market. With a wider range with the Cross Turismo too, expect this to continue for the future.
This will change as other premium models become available. Audi is taking orders now, Mercedes will be here soon and dont underestimate the brand value of Cadillac in the US - so this is going to get crowded very quickly and many of those buyers are not going to be comparing or cross shopping between Tesla. More choices means more biases and loyalty across the board, both for and against Tesla.
SWoll said:
Going to see a lot more of that in the EV age I reckon. Currently have Hyundai/Kia talking about launching 600hp, £60k+ cars and numerous Chinese manufacturers looking at European launches.
Interesting times ahead.
The Genesis brand is still struggling in the US and they register as a blip, even if famous golfers crash their sponsored cars off the road at 80MPH! So they have challenges there, but lets see now that they have a coherent model range and a pretty good SUV (buyers love their SUV's). But who would have guessed that Hyundai and Kia would be so successful, launch a premium model range AND bring a $60k 600BHP car to market.... Interesting times ahead.
Those South Koreans are brave, but they are in it for the long game - anyone remember the original Pony? Oh how we laughed.... no so much of that laughing now....
off_again said:
You can argue about some of the materials, quality of components and it is a much nicer car to drive. But if you value range, 0-60 performance and the charging network, thats OK - personal choice....
Don't forget space. The Model S is like an e-class estate while the Taycan CROSS TURISMO is like a 3 series SEDAN. ZesPak said:
Don't forget space. The Model S is like an e-class estate while the Taycan CROSS TURISMO is like a 3 series SEDAN.
Exactly, the Taycan is awesome but I have 3 kids and regularly use my Model S as the family car on most journeys. The back seat has 3 decent seats and it has a huge boot.The issue for me with the Taycan is the current charging infrastructure for all other EV's, it's so hit and miss. Went to Devon a couple of weeks ago, 5 up with the boot loaded to the glass, 200miles each way, 85errrr kph average all the way, quick 15min free supercharge at Gordano while the kids go for a wee. Just so easy, wish it was the same for other manufacturers but right now sadly not, so no other EV would currently really work for me.
When I arrived at the Supercharger there was a guy trying to plug one into his Jag I-Pace which obviously didn't work. He then waited for one of the 2 (I think 7kw) chargers to come free which didn't happen so when I left so did he. He was a bit clueless but it proved a point.
off-again: "Its amazing that a car company with no history in making EV's delivers its first car, a premium model, that has sold over 20,000 in a year and is being compared to the market leader that has been in the market for 8 years! "
It's also highly ironic that one of Porsche's first forays into cars was.....an EV! The Lohner-Porsche was produced at the start of the last century. Early models were 2-wheel drive (with hub-mounted motors!), later ones were 4WD and some had a gasoline engine to charge the batteries.
They were a bit ahead of their time.
It's also highly ironic that one of Porsche's first forays into cars was.....an EV! The Lohner-Porsche was produced at the start of the last century. Early models were 2-wheel drive (with hub-mounted motors!), later ones were 4WD and some had a gasoline engine to charge the batteries.
They were a bit ahead of their time.
ZesPak said:
Don't forget space. The Model S is like an e-class estate while the Taycan CROSS TURISMO is like a 3 series SEDAN.
The Cross Turismo is actually bigger than the standard Taycan. It’s got more room in the back and clearly the boot is bigger, but not by much. Having taken a look at the Taycan, it is surprisingly small and tight inside. Not seen the CS, but from the reviews it’s much better on space though. Had a 3 series wagon previously and it wasn’t big, but I am aware the more recent models are a touch bigger so I can’t comment a direct comparison.
Suspect you are correct, but when the Polo is the same size as original Golf, everything has changed!
ZesPak said:
off_again said:
Suspect you are correct, but when the Polo is the same size as original Golf, everything has changed!
I'm not saying it's small inside. As you state, it's relative. It IS deceptively small for a a 5m car though.As my 2 are both old enough to drive themselves and rarely go anywhere with us any more its no longer a problem though.
ds666 said:
Lucky man , I had 15 minutes . Still got the deposit down thou
I'm struggling to decide if I should go for a Turbo instead of the 4s which I've ordered ( CT ) . Not sure I really need 0-100mph in 6.5 seconds .
On the other hand ... the Turbo does have Bose as standard lol
4S CT would/will be my choice too. They had a green Turbo there - it really looked great in green. Very tempted. I'm struggling to decide if I should go for a Turbo instead of the 4s which I've ordered ( CT ) . Not sure I really need 0-100mph in 6.5 seconds .
On the other hand ... the Turbo does have Bose as standard lol
A few of you have mentioned Bose. I may be alone on this I didn't rate it. Really didn't think it was very good at all I'd not spec it and just use airpods TBH to get a bit more cancellation
similarly the HUD was only projected at the end of the bonnet, I had hoped it would be focused further down the road. I preferred using the dash display TBH, so I'd not spec HUD despite thinking it would be awesome.
Adaptive cruise is super useful though on motorways, highly recommended.
So I think for me options I'd want (trying to keep it skinny as it would be a lease if I took it):
-Panoramic roof
-Perf batt
-Adaptive cruise
-150kW charging
Amazing things really they are
....and that's about it!
ds666 said:
Similar spec to me . The CT comes with performance battery as standard I think in the 4s
I’m not a Bose fan usually although I’ve not heard the taycan .Low volume high levels of bass then loses the plot .
It does indeed, so oddly the CT doesn't actually cost any more than the saloon if you intended to spec it.I’m not a Bose fan usually although I’ve not heard the taycan .Low volume high levels of bass then loses the plot .
Bose upgrade in my previous A6 was pretty good I thought. Would love the Burmeister system when we do move to the Taycan but at £4k+ I can think of other options I'd prioritise, especially on a lease.
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said: A few of you have mentioned Bose. I may be alone on this I didn't rate it. Really didn't think it was very good at all I'd not spec it and just use airpods TBH to get a bit more cancellation
You drive wearing headphones? Thought that was just for young lads in Fiesta ST's without Bluetooth/Carplay? Edited by SWoll on Friday 21st May 09:19
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Bose upgrade in my previous A6 was pretty good I thought. Would love the Burmeister system when we do move to the Taycan but at £4k+ I can think of other options I'd prioritise, especially on a lease.
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Quite - where do you stop .Has anyone worked out the maximum possible extras cost ?
Bose upgrade in my previous A6 was pretty good I thought. Would love the Burmeister system when we do move to the Taycan but at £4k+ I can think of other options I'd prioritise, especially on a lease.
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Quite - where do you stop .Has anyone worked out the maximum possible extras cost ?
off_again said:
ZesPak said:
Don't forget space. The Model S is like an e-class estate while the Taycan CROSS TURISMO is like a 3 series SEDAN.
The Cross Turismo is actually bigger than the standard Taycan. It’s got more room in the back and clearly the boot is bigger, but not by much. Having taken a look at the Taycan, it is surprisingly small and tight inside. Not seen the CS, but from the reviews it’s much better on space though. Had a 3 series wagon previously and it wasn’t big, but I am aware the more recent models are a touch bigger so I can’t comment a direct comparison.
Suspect you are correct, but when the Polo is the same size as original Golf, everything has changed!
I've just placed an order for a Turbo CT, in Carmine. Should be here in September.
Can't wait.
CloudStuff said:
With the CT, there's a significant difference in terms of usability of the rear cabin. Have a look at around 05:20 here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGHG5ggEyiw
I've just placed an order for a Turbo CT, in Carmine. Should be here in September.
Can't wait.
I bet.I've just placed an order for a Turbo CT, in Carmine. Should be here in September.
Can't wait.
Got your Porsche code? Be interested to see how many options people are adding to the pricier models.
SWoll said:
CloudStuff said:
With the CT, there's a significant difference in terms of usability of the rear cabin. Have a look at around 05:20 here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGHG5ggEyiw
I've just placed an order for a Turbo CT, in Carmine. Should be here in September.
Can't wait.
I bet.I've just placed an order for a Turbo CT, in Carmine. Should be here in September.
Can't wait.
Got your Porsche code? Be interested to see how many options people are adding to the pricier models.
Overkill for sure, but my priorities are to lift the cabin materials and add as much chassis tech as possible.
Not interested in driver aids, other than cruise.
ds666]Woll said:
Bose upgrade in my previous A6 was pretty good I thought. Would love the Burmeister system when we do move to the Taycan but at £4k+ I can think of other options I'd prioritise, especially on a lease.
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Quite - where do you stop .Has anyone worked out the maximum possible extras cost ?
I've managed to add £44k of options to a Turbo S, so id guess £75k must be achievable on a 4S if you consider the standard kit?[quote]
Quite - where do you stop .Has anyone worked out the maximum possible extras cost ?
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