Porsche Taycan

[JonChalk]

SWoll said:

Seen rapid charge points in use numerous times by hybrid Range Rovers etc. Appears quite common in my limited experience.

Agree.

RR PHEV drivers seem to be an entitled lot.

Local Tesco 22kW free gets hogged by them. It’s almost like they’ve got a FB group with a rota.

[sjg]

I think around 14 years is the average for cars to stop passing MOTs and fall out of use - whether that be scrapped or mothballed. It was going up, pollution control stuff is pushing it down, and EVs will likely make it go up again.

LG9k said:

Does anyone know how long it takes to add chargers to a site?

Grid connection is usually the thing that takes the most time.

What's interesting is BP and others planning to roll out rapid chargers with hefty batteries (like the Freewire Boost ones) so they can have a more modest power input - so the install is cheaper and easier and quicker. When a car needs it, it dumps power quickly into the car, then recharges in between.

[Ken Figenus]

Guys this Tesco charger 22kw is AC right? To get this charge speed is a £1200 cost upgrade from 11kw AC on a Taycan I guess in addition to extorting money it permits a beefier AC to DC conversion onboard the car to charge? Sorry - just trying to get my head around it all - is that how it works?

[Heres Johnny]

If its 22kw then its AC (3 phase, 32A per phase = 3 (phase) x 230 (volts) x 32 (amps) = 22,080) but I would say its fairly rare to find them other than on chargers that also support DC charging. I can think of 2 in nearly 6 years of Tesla ownership, and one of those was on the Isle of Man.

Personally I wouldn't pay the uplift to 22kw AC charging, I think there's a 150kw charging upgrade option on the Taycan which is much more useful

[SWoll]

Ken Figenus said:

Guys this Tesco charger 22kw is AC right? To get this charge speed is a £1200 cost upgrade from 11kw AC on a Taycan I guess in addition to extorting money it permits a beefier AC to DC conversion onboard the car to charge? Sorry - just trying to get my head around it all - is that how it works?

Correct. To get the full 22kW at one of these chargers you'll need the £1200 option. Take into account you are still only talking about 30 mph of charging though so of very limited practical use.

I believe all locations with these chargers do also offer 50kW DC also.

Heres Johnny said:

If its 22kw then its AC (3 phase, 32A per phase = 3 (phase) x 230 (volts) x 32 (amps) = 22,080) but I would say its fairly rare to find them other than on chargers that also support DC charging. I can think of 2 in nearly 6 years of Tesla ownership, and one of those was on the Isle of Man.

Personally I wouldn't pay the uplift to 22kw AC charging, I think there's a 150kw charging upgrade option on the Taycan which is much more useful

100%. £300 to enable 400v 150kW charging seems well worth the money.

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 12th May 11:41

[sjg]

I wouldn't do the 22kW AC option. Maybe if you live somewhere like France where 3-phase is everywhere and there's loads of 22kW posts dotted about in every little town.

The quicker 400V (150kW) charging is definitely worth paying for, there's loads of them being deployed now.

[ds666]

So a Taycan as standard will do the normal 7,22 and 50kw but you need to pay extra for 150kw ?
I've just ordered one and whilst I won't charge off the drive very often , it would be nice to have maximum choice .

[Dave Hedgehog]

ds666 said:

So a Taycan as standard will do the normal 7,22 and 50kw but you need to pay extra for 150kw ?
I've just ordered one and whilst I won't charge off the drive very often , it would be nice to have maximum choice .

porsche take piss taking german car options to a new level

[ecs]

The reason why the 22kW option is expensive is because AC/DC inverters are pricey - in reality, you probably don't need it as you'll probably charge using 7kW nearly everywhere and you probably wont have a 3 phase supply at home.

150kW support on the other hand... I think VAG are pretty heavily invested in 800V so they probably see 150kW as a legacy technology, so if you want 150kW, you can have it for a few hundred quid. It's probably worth having because there are a lot of 150kW units in the UK.

[sjg]

Base standard Taycan will do:

- 7kW AC single phase (vast majority of home wallboxes)
- 11kW AC three phase (some public posts, or industrial 3-phase chargers, or the AC lead on a rapid)
- 50kW DC 400V (most public rapid chargers)
- 270kW DC 800V (Ionity and a few others)

The speed you get is the combination of what the car and charger will do. So plug into a 22kW AC post and you'll get 11kW. Plug into a 150kW 400V rapid and you'll get 50kW.

There are two separate options - one for a 22kW AC charger (so double speed on a typical 3-phase AC charger) at £1179, and one for faster DC 400V charging at up to 150kW (ie. not Ionity) at £294.

[ds666]

Thanks for explaining that so comprehensively .
I’ve spec’d a 150kw option so all good

[Ken Figenus]

ds666 said:

Thanks for explaining that so comprehensively .
I’ve spec’d a 150kw option so all good

+1 and snap. I'll leave the costly 22kw AC option as if its en route charging it wont cut it.

[steveatesh]

Here for some advice from owners if I may . I’m in the happy position of having just sold my Boxster, and need a four door car for a new grandchild. I’m considering two, the Tesla model 3 long range and the basic Taycan.

I’d spec the Taycan up with adaptive cruise, panoramic roof, heavy duty battery and a few other bits and pieces to take it to around £82k or thereabouts, a considerable uplift over the Tesla.

I much prefer the looks of the Taycan and of course the brand, but the price difference, range difference and Tesla charging network are big pulls towards Tesla.

I imagine depreciation will be more on the Tesla, Whichever car it is I will probably buy it outright rather than lease, although could be convinced otherwise if there was a distinct advantage in doing so.

I will journey to the south coast from the north east two to three times of year, and have solar panels in the house, working from home.

My heart is saying Taycan, my head is saying Tesla…..if you considered a Tesla before going for the Taycan, what was your main reason(s) for going for the Taycan?

Edited by steveatesh on Sunday 16th May 19:05

[Heres Johnny]

steveatesh said:

Here for some advice from owners if I may . I’m in the happy position of having just sold my Boxster, and need a four door car for a new grandchild. I’m considering two, the Tesla model 3 long range and the basic Taycan.

I’d spec the Taycan up with adaptive cruise, panoramic roof, heavy duty battery and a few other bits and pieces to take it to around £82k or thereabouts, a considerable uplift over the Tesla.

I much prefer the looks of the Taycan and of course the brand, but the price difference, range difference and Tesla charging network are big pulls towards Tesla.

I imagine depreciation will be more on the Tesla, Whichever car it is I will probably buy it outright rather than lease, although could be convinced otherwise if there was a distinct advantage in doing so.

I will journey to the south coast from the north east two to three times of year, and have solar panels in the house, working from home.

My heart is saying Taycan, my head is saying Tesla…..if you considered a Tesla before going for the Taycan, what was your main reason(s) for going for the Taycan?

Edited by steveatesh on Sunday 16th May 19:05

It’s a bit like asking if a BMW 5 series was worth the extra over a Ford Mondeo 20 years ago. The quality of the two cars is t comparable

Many early adopter Tesla Model S owners are heading over to the Taycan. The only real advantage the Model 3 has is the supercharger network and that’s only relevant if you travel long distances a lot and even then public charging is getting better all the time.

[ds666]

Heres Johnny said:

steveatesh said:

Here for some advice from owners if I may . I’m in the happy position of having just sold my Boxster, and need a four door car for a new grandchild. I’m considering two, the Tesla model 3 long range and the basic Taycan.

I’d spec the Taycan up with adaptive cruise, panoramic roof, heavy duty battery and a few other bits and pieces to take it to around £82k or thereabouts, a considerable uplift over the Tesla.

I much prefer the looks of the Taycan and of course the brand, but the price difference, range difference and Tesla charging network are big pulls towards Tesla.

I imagine depreciation will be more on the Tesla, Whichever car it is I will probably buy it outright rather than lease, although could be convinced otherwise if there was a distinct advantage in doing so.

I will journey to the south coast from the north east two to three times of year, and have solar panels in the house, working from home.

My heart is saying Taycan, my head is saying Tesla…..if you considered a Tesla before going for the Taycan, what was your main reason(s) for going for the Taycan?

Edited by steveatesh on Sunday 16th May 19:05

It’s a bit like asking if a BMW 5 series was worth the extra over a Ford Mondeo 20 years ago. The quality of the two cars is t comparable

Many early adopter Tesla Model S owners are heading over to the Taycan. The only real advantage the Model 3 has is the supercharger network and that’s only relevant if you travel long distances a lot and even then public charging is getting better all the time.

Well said sir . Spot on

[ds666]

steveatesh said:

Here for some advice from owners if I may . I’m in the happy position of having just sold my Boxster, and need a four door car for a new grandchild. I’m considering two, the Tesla model 3 long range and the basic Taycan.

I’d spec the Taycan up with adaptive cruise, panoramic roof, heavy duty battery and a few other bits and pieces to take it to around £82k or thereabouts, a considerable uplift over the Tesla.

I much prefer the looks of the Taycan and of course the brand, but the price difference, range difference and Tesla charging network are big pulls towards Tesla.

I imagine depreciation will be more on the Tesla, Whichever car it is I will probably buy it outright rather than lease, although could be convinced otherwise if there was a distinct advantage in doing so.

I will journey to the south coast from the north east two to three times of year, and have solar panels in the house, working from home.

My heart is saying Taycan, my head is saying Tesla…..if you considered a Tesla before going for the Taycan, what was your main reason(s) for going for the Taycan?

Edited by steveatesh on Sunday 16th May 19:05

If you want active cruise , get a Tesla as you obviously don’t like driving .... active cruise , ffs

[SWoll]

steveatesh said:

Here for some advice from owners if I may . I’m in the happy position of having just sold my Boxster, and need a four door car for a new grandchild. I’m considering two, the Tesla model 3 long range and the basic Taycan.

I’d spec the Taycan up with adaptive cruise, panoramic roof, heavy duty battery and a few other bits and pieces to take it to around £82k or thereabouts, a considerable uplift over the Tesla.

I much prefer the looks of the Taycan and of course the brand, but the price difference, range difference and Tesla charging network are big pulls towards Tesla.

I imagine depreciation will be more on the Tesla, Whichever car it is I will probably buy it outright rather than lease, although could be convinced otherwise if there was a distinct advantage in doing so.

I will journey to the south coast from the north east two to three times of year, and have solar panels in the house, working from home.

My heart is saying Taycan, my head is saying Tesla…..if you considered a Tesla before going for the Taycan, what was your main reason(s) for going for the Taycan?

Edited by steveatesh on Sunday 16th May 19:05

I'd be surprised if depreciation on a £50k car was worse than on an £82k car over a 3-4 year period personally, but who knows with EV's at the minute.

As above the Porsche is in a completely different league from an engineering, materials and build quality perspective but the Model 3 will be a bit more practical, more efficient, longer range, AWD, quicker and has the benefit of the supercharger network as you say.

You might want to have a look at the Taycan 4 cross Turismo BTW. It does remove/reduce some of the advantages the Model 3 LR (AWD, better performance than the RWD Taycan, added practicality of hatchback) and as it comes with the performance plus battery and some other options the price gap isn't as significant as it looks initially.

I'd suggest driving both, you'll know immediately whether you think the Taycan is worth the extra £ to you I'm sure.

ds666 said:

If you want active cruise , get a Tesla as you obviously don’t like driving .... active cruise , ffs

Bit of a silly comment that, ACC is standard on many much cheaper cars and can make motorway driving significantly easier. He's not talking about FSD or even Autopilot so not sure what liking driving has to do with it?

Edited by SWoll on Monday 17th May 09:02

[TheRainMaker]

ds666 said:

If you want active cruise , get a Tesla as you obviously don’t like driving .... active cruise , ffs

ACC has been around since 1999 when it was first fitted to a Mercedes-Benz S-Class, I have no idea why people think these systems are a new thing and can only be fitted to Tesla’s

I have it on my family hack, it’s for driving on dull motorway trips, personally I think it’s brilliant (I also like driving).

[Toaster Pilot]

TheRainMaker said:

ACC has been around since 1999 when it was first fitted to a Mercedes-Benz S-Class, I have no idea why people think these systems are a new thing and can only be fitted to Tesla’s

I have it on my family hack, it’s for driving on dull motorway trips, personally I think it’s brilliant (I also like driving).

I have it on my MG - agree it’s great for dull motorway work where liking driving doesn’t even get a look in

[sjg]

The thrill of driving in crawling motorway traffic, in your Puma Speedcats and nomex gloves, practicing perfect heel and toeing as you go from 3rd to 2nd and back, scoffing away at all those idiots just letting their cars do it for them. Because you're a proper driver.

I've had Golfs with active cruise for the last 6 years. It's good.