Porsche Taycan

[Toaster Pilot]

sjg said:

The thrill of driving in crawling motorway traffic, in your Puma Speedcats and nomex gloves, practicing perfect heel and toeing as you go from 3rd to 2nd and back, scoffing away at all those idiots just letting their cars do it for them. Because you're a proper driver.

I've had Golfs with active cruise for the last 6 years. It's good.

[ds666]

sjg said:

The thrill of driving in crawling motorway traffic, in your Puma Speedcats and nomex gloves, practicing perfect heel and toeing as you go from 3rd to 2nd and back, scoffing away at all those idiots just letting their cars do it for them. Because you're a proper driver.

I've had Golfs with active cruise for the last 6 years. It's good.

Just out of interest , how many manual cars have active cruise ... just asking ...

[Ken Figenus]

First time I've tried active cruise was in the Taycan test drive. I've specced it.

It's just lets the car take away some tedious repetitive motorway stuff - I often grunt when I have to cancel cruise when someone is doing 69 in lane 3 - this thing manages it all beautifully, seamlessly and at a lovely safe distance. And I reckon it adds a safety backup too - not that I've ever slammed into the back of anyone, but still...

[TheRainMaker]

ds666 said:

Just out of interest , how many manual cars have active cruise ... just asking ...

A very quick google shows things like, Golf R, Audi A4, Subaru WRX etc.

[Heres Johnny]

Ken Figenus said:

First time I've tried active cruise was in the Taycan test drive. I've specced it.

It's just lets the car take away some tedious repetitive motorway stuff - I often grunt when I have to cancel cruise when someone is doing 69 in lane 3 - this thing manages it all beautifully, seamlessly and at a lovely safe distance. And I reckon it adds a safety backup too - not that I've ever slammed into the back of anyone, but still...

I find active cruise good especailly when following the brake light twitcher, those that keep touching the brakes, often because they're driving too close to the car in front of them and you don't know if its a faint touch or a full blown stop and have to concentrate twice as hard to avoid doing the same to the car behind even if you've left plenty of distance. Active cruise watches the distance rather than the lights.

[ZesPak]

Heres Johnny said:

It’s a bit like asking if a BMW 5 series was worth the extra over a Ford Mondeo 20 years ago. The quality of the two cars is t comparable

Except that the price difference here is a lot higher iirc. But indeed, the interior is something else.
I'd expect TCO on the Porsche to be much, much higher.

Heres Johnny said:

Many early adopter Tesla Model S owners are heading over to the Taycan. The only real advantage the Model 3 has is the supercharger network and that’s only relevant if you travel long distances a lot and even then public charging is getting better all the time.

As above, comparing the TM3 vs a Taycan in cost is just in another league. Over here a half equipped base Taycan (start at 110k EUR) is double a TM3P (63k EUR).
The switch is also logical, I know a number of MS owners who just wanted something else after 7 years of ownership.
I myself picked the TMS over the TM3 and Taycan for sheer size as I have two young kids. The TM3 and Taycan are very similar in terms of practicality.
I don't know if I could stomach the price difference between the two, even though the Taycan has a lot going for it (fit and finish, looks).
The one thing my last cars all have in common is that they are all near as makes no difference 5m long, so is the Taycan, which is something I could live without tbh.

If I wanted a TM3 with a more "normal" interior and from a premium manufacturer, I'd have another serious look at the I-Pace, it's a full 30cm shorter than the Taycan without giving in much in terms of practicality.

[Heres Johnny]

annodomini2 said:

TM3 depreciation, cheapest clean SR+ is £35k, that's a 2019 model, which was ~£37k new, so 5% after 3 years!

I’ve obvious gone to sleep and woken up in 2022

[Will-iezhp]

I'm currently also in the toss up between TM3 Long Range (because I can't get a Y or S/X until bloody late 2022) and the Taycan Cross.

The Porsche is clearly hands down the better car for interior quality, but the Tesla network at the moment, has me drifting towards it.

The big challenge, coming from an ICE car, I don't really know what to do. I have no risk at the moment, but the BIK savings are calling and I fancy a change from years of petrol / diesel cars...

[andy43]

Schmee150 has a Taycan - his video from the weekend is worth a watch if you want to use a Taycan for long distances.
I've not driven one but I'd guess it's a far far better drivers car than the Tesla S (but no hatch which for me is essential) until you come to fill it back up with electric - videos like that are a real eyeopener.
Video summary : 3 hours spent, 2 charging stations visited, many failures and stoppages, gained about 30% charge, mostly at 40p/kw, gave up, went home.

[Dave Hedgehog]

andy43 said:

Schmee150 has a Taycan - his video from the weekend is worth a watch if you want to use a Taycan for long distances.
I've not driven one but I'd guess it's a far far better drivers car than the Tesla S (but no hatch which for me is essential) until you come to fill it back up with electric - videos like that are a real eyeopener.
Video summary : 3 hours spent, 2 charging stations visited, many failures and stoppages, gained about 30% charge, mostly at 40p/kw, gave up, went home.

it was very suspicious he deliberatly drove an hour out of his way to find a fast charger only to get their and it was borked, which was lucky as it made for great content

and i dont buy the bks he comes out with about not being able to fit a charger in his rented car park, he spunks £100ks on car payments he could drop a grand to have a basic 3.6kw charger in one bay which would cover him most of the time given how little he uses each car (as there are so many)

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 19th May 10:09

[dmsims]

If your purchase is imminent (or indeed the near future) Tesla is the only real choice

Non Tesla charging network will catch up but nowhere near yet

[Will-iezhp]

Dave Hedgehog said:

it was very suspicious he deliberatly drove an hour out of his way to find a fast charger only to get their and it was borked, which was lucky as it made for great content

I think there is a lot to be said for this.

But also agree, from what I've been reading (way more than I would for buying an ICE car), that Tesla at the moment, is the way forward. Maybe a 2 year lease on the Tesla then reconsider and look at how the market is doing might be the best way into EV's.

Having said that, is it then going to blind me to the other networks / infrastructure.

On a side note, outside of the above, the new Rivian looks interesting to me. As/when it will arrive in the UK is another thing.

[NDA]

dmsims said:

If your purchase is imminent (or indeed the near future) Tesla is the only real choice

Non Tesla charging network will catch up but nowhere near yet

The Tesla charging infrastructure was the nudge over the line for me.

But having said that, I never use it! Overnight charging at home has been enough, despite some reasonably long drives. I like knowing it's there, but 99% of the time, I don't use it.

[Toaster Pilot]

The issues with IONITY at Beaconsfield are very well documented - I find it really hard to believe Shmee was completely unaware of them.

The issues he had at the next high power charger would suggest to me that his car has some kind of issue - you’d think if Taycan drivers were having frequent charging problems like that we’d know about it.

[CheesecakeRunner]

Dave Hedgehog said:

andy43 said:

Schmee150 has a Taycan - his video from the weekend is worth a watch if you want to use a Taycan for long distances.
I've not driven one but I'd guess it's a far far better drivers car than the Tesla S (but no hatch which for me is essential) until you come to fill it back up with electric - videos like that are a real eyeopener.
Video summary : 3 hours spent, 2 charging stations visited, many failures and stoppages, gained about 30% charge, mostly at 40p/kw, gave up, went home.

it was very suspicious he deliberatly drove an hour out of his way to find a fast charger only to get their and it was borked, which was lucky as it made for great content

Indeed. Agreed his experience at the new Ionity station was lousy and there's no excuse for that, but I have little sympathy for his 'home' charging situation. In other videos he shows his other cars in that garage on trickle chargers, so he has 3 pin power available. He could happily granny charge his car in the garage.

[Dave Hedgehog]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Indeed. Agreed his experience at the new Ionity station was lousy and there's no excuse for that, but I have little sympathy for his 'home' charging situation. In other videos he shows his other cars in that garage on trickle chargers, so he has 3 pin power available. He could happily granny charge his car in the garage.

good point, he does

he talks about 22kw 3 phase AC charging at his new place which is exspensive and overkill, i drive 15 hours a week and i could easily only charge on a 3.5kw charger

[Electronicpants]

NDA said:

dmsims said:

If your purchase is imminent (or indeed the near future) Tesla is the only real choice

Non Tesla charging network will catch up but nowhere near yet

The Tesla charging infrastructure was the nudge over the line for me.

But having said that, I never use it! Overnight charging at home has been enough, despite some reasonably long drives. I like knowing it's there, but 99% of the time, I don't use it.

Same with me, that's why a year later I traded the Tesla for a Taycan, I couldn't stand the rattles, wind noise and general feeling I had been ripped off any longer.

80% (Porsche recommended SOC) - 72% top up at work, 80%-65% - top up at work again, 80%-75% - top up at home.

On a big day, leave house at 100%- 45% top up at work (22kw charger) back to 80% before I commute home.

Having 7kw at home and 22kw at work means my car has barely seen below 50% and I only used a public charger once for sts and giggles.

If you can charge at home or at work don't underestimate how little you do trips over 250 miles in a day, unless you do loads of that kind of driving, in which case Tesla is a no brainier.

[SWoll]

andy43 said:

Schmee150 has a Taycan - his video from the weekend is worth a watch if you want to use a Taycan for long distances.
I've not driven one but I'd guess it's a far far better drivers car than the Tesla S (but no hatch which for me is essential) until you come to fill it back up with electric - videos like that are a real eyeopener.
Video summary : 3 hours spent, 2 charging stations visited, many failures and stoppages, gained about 30% charge, mostly at 40p/kw, gave up, went home.

The Taycan Cross Turismo is a hatch.



Unless you have a very similar set of circumstances you are unlikely to suffer with quite the level of problems shown in the video. Nowhere to charge at home, no local fast charger availability, regular long trips undertaken, a lack of knowledge and one of the least efficient EV's available are unlikely to offer a great experience at the moment TBH.

Will-iezhp said:

I'm currently also in the toss up between TM3 Long Range (because I can't get a Y or S/X until bloody late 2022) and the Taycan Cross.

The Porsche is clearly hands down the better car for interior quality, but the Tesla network at the moment, has me drifting towards it.

The big challenge, coming from an ICE car, I don't really know what to do. I have no risk at the moment, but the BIK savings are calling and I fancy a change from years of petrol / diesel cars...

If you expect to have to regularly charge around the UK motorway network then Tesla does have significant advantages. All about your ability to charge at home and your real world usage patterns as above.

[Heres Johnny]

You could just watch a video of a Tesla dealer (Richard Symons) who's driven Teslas for a long while and has virtually no issues with charging networks outside the Tesla one, there#s plenty of videos of long distance journeys including a Scotland to Bournmouth one when his ID4 (may have been a ID3) and a Model 3 LR travelled back and arrived within a few minutes of each other. His daily is an e-tron and not a Tesla... go figure that one

Shimee like good old Harry, jump in an EV for virtually the first time, have no clue what they're doing and find they have problems. Like anything, you get into the groove and understand what you need to do. Took me 5 go's and a lot of searching to get a destination charger to work at the railway station, damn frustrating, it was simply not knowing the correct sequence of steps, timing of a message to appear etc, and once understood, 5 years of pain free use.

Unless you're a regular 250 mile+ a day driver then you'll hardly ever need public charging (the Taycan smashes its rated mileage on a long run), and if you are a regular 250 mile a day driver, then the interior quality and much much better seats than the Tesla ones make the Taycan appealing.

You don't really pick a Model 3 over the Taycan on any other grounds than affordability.

[ZesPak]

Heres Johnny said:

You could just watch a video of a Tesla dealer (Richard Symons) who's driven Teslas for a long while and has virtually no issues with charging networks outside the Tesla one, there#s plenty of videos of long distance journeys including a Scotland to Bournmouth one when his ID4 (may have been a ID3) and a Model 3 LR travelled back and arrived within a few minutes of each other. His daily is an e-tron and not a Tesla... go figure that one

There is no such thing as a Tesla dealer. He's an EV specialist and always drives the latest and greatest. For almost a decade that was Tesla... go figure.

Heres Johnny said:

Shimee like good old Harry, jump in an EV for virtually the first time, have no clue what they're doing and find they have problems. Like anything, you get into the groove and understand what you need to do. Took me 5 go's and a lot of searching to get a destination charger to work at the railway station, damn frustrating, it was simply not knowing the correct sequence of steps, timing of a message to appear etc, and once understood, 5 years of pain free use.

Agreed, both know what works and is popular. It's hard to distinguish fabricated drama from a real systemic issue.

Heres Johnny said:

Unless you're a regular 250 mile+ a day driver then you'll hardly ever need public charging (the Taycan smashes its rated mileage on a long run), and if you are a regular 250 mile a day driver, then the interior quality and much much better seats than the Tesla ones make the Taycan appealing.

I appreciate the extra quality on the Taycan, but as someone who does that sort of mileage, my TMS has little to fault. By far the most comfortable car and the "autopilot" means I don't have to do anything on long trips other than keep an eye on the road, which beats another decibel of wind noise by a long shot in terms of being a comfortable long cruiser.
In the end, the Taycan and the TM3 were just too small for me with two small kids and all the junk they have with them. The reverse TARDIS nature of the Taycan is it's biggest problem imho in an otherwise amazing car. The e-tron shares that nature unfortunately.

Heres Johnny said:

You don't really pick a Model 3 over the Taycan on any other grounds than affordability.

Indeed