Volvo XC40 Recharge vs Skoda Enyaq

[Diderot]

48k said:

Finally heard back from the dealer - delivery should be 16th October.

He's asked if he can pass my details on to NewMotion so they can arrange to fit the complimentary home charger but I've looked at the unit and it's mahoosive. Think I'd rather pay for a Sync-EV than have a free NewMotion.

Good news. My dealer mentioned delays well into 2022 for radar cruise and blindspot functionality

We're picking our car up finally tomorrow.

[48k]

Diderot said:

48k said:

Finally heard back from the dealer - delivery should be 16th October.

He's asked if he can pass my details on to NewMotion so they can arrange to fit the complimentary home charger but I've looked at the unit and it's mahoosive. Think I'd rather pay for a Sync-EV than have a free NewMotion.

Good news. My dealer mentioned delays well into 2022 for radar cruise and blindspot functionality

We're picking our car up finally tomorrow.

Congrats! Look forward to a full report on it.

[Diderot]

48k said:

Diderot said:

48k said:

Finally heard back from the dealer - delivery should be 16th October.

He's asked if he can pass my details on to NewMotion so they can arrange to fit the complimentary home charger but I've looked at the unit and it's mahoosive. Think I'd rather pay for a Sync-EV than have a free NewMotion.

Good news. My dealer mentioned delays well into 2022 for radar cruise and blindspot functionality

We're picking our car up finally tomorrow.

Congrats! Look forward to a full report on it.

Initial impressions after a couple of 30 odd mile drives over the last two days:

The ride is very well sorted (on the 19s) - nowhere near as jiggly as on the 20s we test drove, nor indeed our previous X3 35d on 20 inch runflats. Body control in general is excellent too - minimal roll and doesn't pitch under braking really either. Seems very stable at speed too (the 'firm' steering setting suits 60-70mph cruises better than the 'light' mode.

It's superbly comfortable for me - the seats are fantastically supportive and very adjustable; memory seats too. However, Mrs Diderot hasn't found her ideal seating position yet.

Build quality seems generally very high and there are some very well-thought through features, especially in the boot.

The performance is bonkers for a small SUV. Took my Dad for a spin this PM. His first ride in a BEV and although he's had his fair share of fast cars over the years (mainly in the 80s and 90s), he was shocked . Launch is quite brutal with the initial shove coming in all at once, but the most impressive is the useful 30-50; 40-60; 50-70; 30-70 type stuff.

I tried one pedal mode for the first time this PM and, though I have no comparable experiences in other BEVs, it works quite intuitively: full lift off seems to mimic a fairly hefty shove of the brake; but the modulation of braking when lifting off more gently is very smooth. I'd equate it to 'braking in reverse' if you see what I mean.

Range obviously too early to tell, but it's reporting 185 miles after 65 miles of mixed driving and some spirited acceleration.


Anyway, very happy so far. 48k, I think you'll be pleased.

[48k]

Diderot said:

48k said:

Diderot said:

48k said:

Finally heard back from the dealer - delivery should be 16th October.

He's asked if he can pass my details on to NewMotion so they can arrange to fit the complimentary home charger but I've looked at the unit and it's mahoosive. Think I'd rather pay for a Sync-EV than have a free NewMotion.

Good news. My dealer mentioned delays well into 2022 for radar cruise and blindspot functionality

We're picking our car up finally tomorrow.

Congrats! Look forward to a full report on it.

Sounds promising. On my test drive I found that there was a delayed response when pulling away - you pressed the throttle and nothing happened for half a second, then the car moved forward. Reminded me of Mrs 48Ks Discovery 3 which had a big dead spot in the throttle and was the cause of some embarrassment at roundabouts when you went to go but didn't actually go anywhere. I mentioned this to the dealer and he said it was something to do with the regen setting which is configurable. Is that what you have been playing with - with the single pedal mode ?

Initial impressions after a couple of 30 odd mile drives over the last two days:

The ride is very well sorted (on the 19s) - nowhere near as jiggly as on the 20s we test drove, nor indeed our previous X3 35d on 20 inch runflats. Body control in general is excellent too - minimal roll and doesn't pitch under braking really either. Seems very stable at speed too (the 'firm' steering setting suits 60-70mph cruises better than the 'light' mode.

It's superbly comfortable for me - the seats are fantastically supportive and very adjustable; memory seats too. However, Mrs Diderot hasn't found her ideal seating position yet.

Build quality seems generally very high and there are some very well-thought through features, especially in the boot.

The performance is bonkers for a small SUV. Took my Dad for a spin this PM. His first ride in a BEV and although he's had his fair share of fast cars over the years (mainly in the 80s and 90s), he was shocked . Launch is quite brutal with the initial shove coming in all at once, but the most impressive is the useful 30-50; 40-60; 50-70; 30-70 type stuff.

I tried one pedal mode for the first time this PM and, though I have no comparable experiences in other BEVs, it works quite intuitively: full lift off seems to mimic a fairly hefty shove of the brake; but the modulation of braking when lifting off more gently is very smooth. I'd equate it to 'braking in reverse' if you see what I mean.

Range obviously too early to tell, but it's reporting 185 miles after 65 miles of mixed driving and some spirited acceleration.


Anyway, very happy so far. 48k, I think you'll be pleased.

[Diderot]

48k said:

Diderot said:

48k said:

Diderot said:

48k said:

Finally heard back from the dealer - delivery should be 16th October.

He's asked if he can pass my details on to NewMotion so they can arrange to fit the complimentary home charger but I've looked at the unit and it's mahoosive. Think I'd rather pay for a Sync-EV than have a free NewMotion.

Good news. My dealer mentioned delays well into 2022 for radar cruise and blindspot functionality

We're picking our car up finally tomorrow.

Congrats! Look forward to a full report on it.

Sounds promising. On my test drive I found that there was a delayed response when pulling away - you pressed the throttle and nothing happened for half a second, then the car moved forward. Reminded me of Mrs 48Ks Discovery 3 which had a big dead spot in the throttle and was the cause of some embarrassment at roundabouts when you went to go but didn't actually go anywhere. I mentioned this to the dealer and he said it was something to do with the regen setting which is configurable. Is that what you have been playing with - with the single pedal mode ?

Initial impressions after a couple of 30 odd mile drives over the last two days:

The ride is very well sorted (on the 19s) - nowhere near as jiggly as on the 20s we test drove, nor indeed our previous X3 35d on 20 inch runflats. Body control in general is excellent too - minimal roll and doesn't pitch under braking really either. Seems very stable at speed too (the 'firm' steering setting suits 60-70mph cruises better than the 'light' mode.

It's superbly comfortable for me - the seats are fantastically supportive and very adjustable; memory seats too. However, Mrs Diderot hasn't found her ideal seating position yet.

Build quality seems generally very high and there are some very well-thought through features, especially in the boot.

The performance is bonkers for a small SUV. Took my Dad for a spin this PM. His first ride in a BEV and although he's had his fair share of fast cars over the years (mainly in the 80s and 90s), he was shocked . Launch is quite brutal with the initial shove coming in all at once, but the most impressive is the useful 30-50; 40-60; 50-70; 30-70 type stuff.

I tried one pedal mode for the first time this PM and, though I have no comparable experiences in other BEVs, it works quite intuitively: full lift off seems to mimic a fairly hefty shove of the brake; but the modulation of braking when lifting off more gently is very smooth. I'd equate it to 'braking in reverse' if you see what I mean.

Range obviously too early to tell, but it's reporting 185 miles after 65 miles of mixed driving and some spirited acceleration.


Anyway, very happy so far. 48k, I think you'll be pleased.

Yep on normal mode, no lag whatsoever. Instant massive shove, 660nm, so much so that if you're overtaking you really want to have move out to the right before you put your foot down otherwise it really does lunge forward.

[48k]

Great, thanks.

[smokey12]

The thread seems to have gone a little quiet on the Enyaq.
This is our first foray into the world of the EV after we had the tax benefits of our Company buying an EV fully explained to us. The car has to replace my wife's GLE 250 after it let her down big time recently and she no longer trusts it. She likes the taller driving position that an SUV offers otherwise it would have been no contest straight into a Tesla Model 3. We do't have the time to wait for the Y to arrive in the UK.
So many YouTube reviews watched, articles read, it's a complete minefield of information, some of which [KWh] is completely new.
Ultimately, the two we test drove were the ID.4 and the Enyaq 80. Given that they come from the same stable, the differences were stark but the Skoda was a hands down winner so far as the Boss was concerned. At the end of the day its all very subjective but she felt it was easier to drive than her Merc. 95% of our journeys will be local and home-charging will be the norm and I'm looking forward to not having to spend £120 to fill up the Merc each time. We will have to get used to planning our 300-mile journey to to Derbyshire to see the family in more detail and once a year to Spain will be an adventure! We're not buying it for performance/driving fun.....for that I've got my M2 Comp!

[karma mechanic]

In our quest for a BEV we tried the Volvo today, it was the top P8 with all the trimmings.

A few years ago I tried the XC40 petrol, and didn't gel with it. I was hoping the new electric version would be better, but unfortunately this one didn't work either.

Plus points: well built, fantastic performance especially the insane (or is that ludicrous) shove in the back from low speed.

Minus points: lots of road noise, felt every imperfection in the tarmac, seemed very tall and a bit wayward on bumpy roads (I felt I was holding the wheel tightly). Boot very small. I don't know what setting it was on but the regeneration braking was extreme, lifting off even slightly gave huge braking. Could come to a stop on a fast road if you moved the throttle foot a bit. (I know that's adjustable, but I was assuming that for a test drive the car would be in default settings, not extreme ones, I wasn't able to find the menu to change this while driving on narrow roads). The main centre screen was out of the line of sight, it involved looking down unlike some of its competitors.

All in all it seemed like they had tried to keep it like a traditional dash, but it seemed very dated after driving the Ioniq 5.

More money for a smaller boot, smaller inside space, considerably more road and motor noise and a much worse ride didn't do it for us.

Drove the ioniq 5 again later and it was considerably better except of course that the demonstrator is the single motor RWD one. Very calm, very relaxing, very easy to drive, very much quieter and still no slouch. Enquired about ordering one but now it looks like an 8 month wait. (EIGHT months!) By then the EV6 should be available...

[Diderot]

karma mechanic said:

In our quest for a BEV we tried the Volvo today, it was the top P8 with all the trimmings.

A few years ago I tried the XC40 petrol, and didn't gel with it. I was hoping the new electric version would be better, but unfortunately this one didn't work either.

Plus points: well built, fantastic performance especially the insane (or is that ludicrous) shove in the back from low speed.

Minus points: lots of road noise, felt every imperfection in the tarmac, seemed very tall and a bit wayward on bumpy roads (I felt I was holding the wheel tightly). Boot very small. I don't know what setting it was on but the regeneration braking was extreme, lifting off even slightly gave huge braking. Could come to a stop on a fast road if you moved the throttle foot a bit. (I know that's adjustable, but I was assuming that for a test drive the car would be in default settings, not extreme ones, I wasn't able to find the menu to change this while driving on narrow roads). The main centre screen was out of the line of sight, it involved looking down unlike some of its competitors.

All in all it seemed like they had tried to keep it like a traditional dash, but it seemed very dated after driving the Ioniq 5.

More money for a smaller boot, smaller inside space, considerably more road and motor noise and a much worse ride didn't do it for us.

Drove the ioniq 5 again later and it was considerably better except of course that the demonstrator is the single motor RWD one. Very calm, very relaxing, very easy to drive, very much quieter and still no slouch. Enquired about ordering one but now it looks like an 8 month wait. (EIGHT months!) By then the EV6 should be available...

Definitely in One Pedal mode. Normal mode it just coasts.

[karma mechanic]

Diderot said:

Definitely in One Pedal mode. Normal mode it just coasts.

Yes, now I have done more research that makes perfect sense. Not ideal for a test drive on a completely unfamiliar car IMHO. I could get used to it, but a bit unsettling at first while I was wiggling about getting used to the seat position...

[Diderot]

karma mechanic said:

Diderot said:

Definitely in One Pedal mode. Normal mode it just coasts.

Yes, now I have done more research that makes perfect sense. Not ideal for a test drive on a completely unfamiliar car IMHO. I could get used to it, but a bit unsettling at first while I was wiggling about getting used to the seat position...

Definitely - not great for a test drive. I'm not used to it yet either after 12 days.

[48k]

A couple of people have mentioned "small boot" on the XC40 which surprises me - I thought it was deceptively large and a practical shape (not too raked, and a flat floor with no lip).

Guess I will find out in October when the dogs are in there.

[Diderot]

Just done our first long-ish trip from the South Coast to Suffolk (178 miles). Started with 98% charge and arrived with 36% left. Pretty good going - seems to equate to about 250ish mile range which is more than I’d expected.

Edited by Diderot on Thursday 26th August 16:37

[Mikehig]

Autocar have just reviewed the Enyaq iV 80:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/skoda/enyaq-i...

In the summary they describe it as a mid-range option for an affordable EV.....the price as tested is k£46 and they felt the spec was a bit light!

[Martyn76]

Diderot said:

Indeed it will Mind you I found the 30-50 and 50-70 acceleration even more impressive than launching.

I think I have only heard the "in gear" acceleration times mentioned in one EV review, everyone seems to be hung up on the 0-60 times.

[Pica-Pica]

Martyn76 said:

I think I have only heard the "in gear" acceleration times mentioned in one EV review, everyone seems to be hung up on the 0-60 times.

If, like in my situation, you are frequently pulling out from a village side-road onto a fast A road by-pass, then a low 0-60 time is relevant. Otherwise, I agree the rolling acceleration is more relevant.

[jimmytheone]

Following with interest as wife's co car may be up for change.

Can anyone tell me - does a BEV need any warm up period or can you "start" it from cold and mash the go pedal?
I'm not (that much of) a hoodlum but we have a 30-limit outside our house that people like to do 50+ along

[Mikehig]

Pica-Pica said:

Martyn76 said:

I think I have only heard the "in gear" acceleration times mentioned in one EV review, everyone seems to be hung up on the 0-60 times.

If, like in my situation, you are frequently pulling out from a village side-road onto a fast A road by-pass, then a low 0-60 time is relevant. Otherwise, I agree the rolling acceleration is more relevant.

A few weeks ago Autocar ran an article on the fastest in-gear times (30 - 70 mph) they have recorded. The top 10 did not include a single EV. The quickest EV came 14th - Porsche Taycan. The only other EV to feature was a Tesla S back in 2016 which came 36th. All the ICE cars were serious hypercars, of course.
As always, it's arguable how realistic these figures are. They certainly show overtaking performance when the car is in the right gear and ready to go.
To my mind it would have been interesting to have the cars just rolling normally at 30 before stamping on the loud pedal because that would include the response time of the gearbox (I think they were all dual-clutch/autos of some form). That's where the instant torque of EVs might have changed the results a bit.
Also, as said above, there are times when instant squirt off the line is useful.
Anyway, here's the article:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/10-qui...

[gmaz]

jimmytheone said:

Following with interest as wife's co car may be up for change.

Can anyone tell me - does a BEV need any warm up period or can you "start" it from cold and mash the go pedal?
I'm not (that much of) a hoodlum but we have a 30-limit outside our house that people like to do 50+ along

No warm up needed. Even if you lived at the bottom of a long steep hill and you floored it all the way, the battery management system would avoid any damage.

[Diderot]

Mikehig said:

Pica-Pica said:

Martyn76 said:

I think I have only heard the "in gear" acceleration times mentioned in one EV review, everyone seems to be hung up on the 0-60 times.

If, like in my situation, you are frequently pulling out from a village side-road onto a fast A road by-pass, then a low 0-60 time is relevant. Otherwise, I agree the rolling acceleration is more relevant.

A few weeks ago Autocar ran an article on the fastest in-gear times (30 - 70 mph) they have recorded. The top 10 did not include a single EV. The quickest EV came 14th - Porsche Taycan. The only other EV to feature was a Tesla S back in 2016 which came 36th. All the ICE cars were serious hypercars, of course.
As always, it's arguable how realistic these figures are. They certainly show overtaking performance when the car is in the right gear and ready to go.
To my mind it would have been interesting to have the cars just rolling normally at 30 before stamping on the loud pedal because that would include the response time of the gearbox (I think they were all dual-clutch/autos of some form). That's where the instant torque of EVs might have changed the results a bit.
Also, as said above, there are times when instant squirt off the line is useful.
Anyway, here's the article:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/10-qui...

Interesting list. Porsche 992 Turbo S seems to have most of those beaten standing 1/4 (10.2). And the Nevera would surely trump any of them at any metric.