Volvo XC40 Recharge vs Skoda Enyaq
Discussion
Mikehig said:
A few weeks ago Autocar ran an article on the fastest in-gear times (30 - 70 mph) they have recorded. The top 10 did not include a single EV. The quickest EV came 14th - Porsche Taycan. The only other EV to feature was a Tesla S back in 2016 which came 36th. All the ICE cars were serious hypercars, of course.
As always, it's arguable how realistic these figures are. They certainly show overtaking performance when the car is in the right gear and ready to go.
To my mind it would have been interesting to have the cars just rolling normally at 30 before stamping on the loud pedal because that would include the response time of the gearbox (I think they were all dual-clutch/autos of some form). That's where the instant torque of EVs might have changed the results a bit.
Also, as said above, there are times when instant squirt off the line is useful.
Anyway, here's the article:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/10-qui...
In an ICE car 30-70 or 50-70 you can ensure that the car is in the correct gear, the engine is in it's peak torque band and the turbo is spooled up, so it is easier to get a good figure.As always, it's arguable how realistic these figures are. They certainly show overtaking performance when the car is in the right gear and ready to go.
To my mind it would have been interesting to have the cars just rolling normally at 30 before stamping on the loud pedal because that would include the response time of the gearbox (I think they were all dual-clutch/autos of some form). That's where the instant torque of EVs might have changed the results a bit.
Also, as said above, there are times when instant squirt off the line is useful.
Anyway, here's the article:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/10-qui...
jimmytheone said:
Following with interest as wife's co car may be up for change.
Can anyone tell me - does a BEV need any warm up period or can you "start" it from cold and mash the go pedal?
I'm not (that much of) a hoodlum but we have a 30-limit outside our house that people like to do 50+ along
Not as much but its generally better for the gearbox when the oil has had some time to warm up before you max torque it.Can anyone tell me - does a BEV need any warm up period or can you "start" it from cold and mash the go pedal?
I'm not (that much of) a hoodlum but we have a 30-limit outside our house that people like to do 50+ along
JonnyVTEC said:
jimmytheone said:
Following with interest as wife's co car may be up for change.
Can anyone tell me - does a BEV need any warm up period or can you "start" it from cold and mash the go pedal?
I'm not (that much of) a hoodlum but we have a 30-limit outside our house that people like to do 50+ along
Not as much but its generally better for the gearbox when the oil has had some time to warm up before you max torque it.Can anyone tell me - does a BEV need any warm up period or can you "start" it from cold and mash the go pedal?
I'm not (that much of) a hoodlum but we have a 30-limit outside our house that people like to do 50+ along
I have a degree of mechanical sympathy but good to know its unlikely to cause any real problems.
Diderot said:
Just done our first long-ish trip from the South Coast to Suffolk (178 miles). Started with 98% charge and arrived with 36% left. Pretty good going - seems to equate to about 250ish mile range which is more than I’d expected.
2nd longish trip yesterday - South Coast to Chiswick and back 154 miles round trip with a lot of traffic on the way up and nothing on the way back last night so did hoof it a bit. Started with 97% and arrived with 42%. Will be interesting to see what the drop off will be in the Autumn and winter. Edited by Diderot on Thursday 26th August 16:37
@48k, are you still picking yours up on 16th October?
Diderot said:
@48k, are you still picking yours up on 16th October?
Not heard from Volvo for a while, might drop them a note too see if they have a confirmed date.Got an electrician booked in for 30th to upgrade the consumer unit in my garage and beef up the supply in there (600 quid!) then I'm going to book in Sync EV to fit the charger. I've declined the free Volvo charger as it's big and ugly and don't want that stuck on the outside of the garage.
48k said:
Diderot said:
@48k, are you still picking yours up on 16th October?
Not heard from Volvo for a while, might drop them a note too see if they have a confirmed date.Got an electrician booked in for 30th to upgrade the consumer unit in my garage and beef up the supply in there (600 quid!) then I'm going to book in Sync EV to fit the charger. I've declined the free Volvo charger as it's big and ugly and don't want that stuck on the outside of the garage.
I had an email from New Motion about the free charger a month ago advising me that due to the chip shortage there'd be 6 to 7 month delay! We're having a Wallbox fitted on 1st October. Mind you, having said that we've been managing very well with the granny charger.
Diderot said:
Hope it's not delayed chap.
I had an email from New Motion about the free charger a month ago advising me that due to the chip shortage there'd be 6 to 7 month delay! We're having a Wallbox fitted on 1st October. Mind you, having said that we've been managing very well with the granny charger.
Heard yesterday it's slipped to end of October / early November.I had an email from New Motion about the free charger a month ago advising me that due to the chip shortage there'd be 6 to 7 month delay! We're having a Wallbox fitted on 1st October. Mind you, having said that we've been managing very well with the granny charger.
What sort of charging times are you seeing on the granny charger ?
48k said:
Diderot said:
Hope it's not delayed chap.
I had an email from New Motion about the free charger a month ago advising me that due to the chip shortage there'd be 6 to 7 month delay! We're having a Wallbox fitted on 1st October. Mind you, having said that we've been managing very well with the granny charger.
Heard yesterday it's slipped to end of October / early November.I had an email from New Motion about the free charger a month ago advising me that due to the chip shortage there'd be 6 to 7 month delay! We're having a Wallbox fitted on 1st October. Mind you, having said that we've been managing very well with the granny charger.
What sort of charging times are you seeing on the granny charger ?
Tried to test an xc40 400bhp EV on Saturday. The dealer messed up (and tried to blame it on me booking the phev - which the email contradicts) so we only got to drive the phev version. Liked it lots though so planning to get my wife one, but full EV version.
There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
hopefully it’ll be on target. oop north said:
Tried to test an xc40 400bhp EV on Saturday. The dealer messed up (and tried to blame it on me booking the phev - which the email contradicts) so we only got to drive the phev version. Liked it lots though so planning to get my wife one, but full EV version.
There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
Are you sure about the P8 not being available? https://www.volvocars.com/uk/v/cars/xc40-electric still listing it. There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
Diderot said:
oop north said:
Tried to test an xc40 400bhp EV on Saturday. The dealer messed up (and tried to blame it on me booking the phev - which the email contradicts) so we only got to drive the phev version. Liked it lots though so planning to get my wife one, but full EV version.
There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
Are you sure about the P8 not being available? https://www.volvocars.com/uk/v/cars/xc40-electric still listing it. There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
I hope my P8 Twin actually turns up now.
48k said:
Diderot said:
oop north said:
Tried to test an xc40 400bhp EV on Saturday. The dealer messed up (and tried to blame it on me booking the phev - which the email contradicts) so we only got to drive the phev version. Liked it lots though so planning to get my wife one, but full EV version.
There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
Are you sure about the P8 not being available? https://www.volvocars.com/uk/v/cars/xc40-electric still listing it. There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
I hope my P8 Twin actually turns up now.
Diderot said:
48k said:
Diderot said:
oop north said:
Tried to test an xc40 400bhp EV on Saturday. The dealer messed up (and tried to blame it on me booking the phev - which the email contradicts) so we only got to drive the phev version. Liked it lots though so planning to get my wife one, but full EV version.
There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
Are you sure about the P8 not being available? https://www.volvocars.com/uk/v/cars/xc40-electric still listing it. There is a problem - the xc40 no longer comes with four wheel drive and 400bhp - it comes with front wheel drive, 230bhp and a smaller battery so actually smaller and with lower range than the c40 which still has 400bhp, 4wd and the bigger battery. A bit frustrating as I need to order now to get it to arrive in time (May 2022) but would need to wait until January before there is a c40 to look at. Could do with checking the boot size to make sure not giving too much away. And also cannot drive a fwd xc40 to make sure it isn’t unpleasant in the wet pulling out of junctions…
I hope my P8 Twin actually turns up now.
48k said:
Carry on to the configurator and look at the powertrain options...
I hope my P8 Twin actually turns up now.
I got very confused as I first started looking as the Volvo website was changing - they didn’t do it all in one go, so the price list and configurator were out of sync. There should be no problem with an ordered car coming - on Saturday there were still a couple of xc40 p8 available for subscription purchase but core I hope my P8 Twin actually turns up now.
spec so didn’t have the options we want
Apologies if I spooked anyone
Surprise, surprise - my XC40 is delayed yet again, but only a little bit this time so that makes it OK. Was supposed to be 7/11 to 17/11. It's now 19/11/21 to 23/11/21. Dealer is saying the car is actually in build now which means he can be more accurate with a delivery date, and once the car arrives with him they'll need 48 hours to prep it and fit the towbar. So hopefully it will arrive before the end of the month.
Hey Everyone,
Planning on upgrading to EV and have narrowed it down to two cars, the XC40 (Single Motor) and the Enyaq IV60.
I was delighted to find this thread as it is the exact two cars I am looking at
Just wondering if anyone had made the decision either way and their thoughts on it?
Anything you wish you knew before making the decision which you now know in hindsight.
I test drove but the twin motor XC40 and the IV80 so it's hard to fully judge.
My main concern with the XC40 is it looks very similar to my current 3008 (Both in White) and it's actually just as old as it was released in 2018 but now has been updated as an EV. I'm worried that there is a high chance a new version will be released once they move the other models up to EV.
Also, the boot is slightly smaller than the 3008 and the floor hump in the back is bigger.
The Plus trim id would be going with does have ACC or Blindspot but I do love the Google maps integration.
WIth the IV60, my main concern is the length of time for the order and my wife said it looks more like a minivan than an SUV
She is in love with the XC40.
For the same price as the XC40 Plus trim I can spec out the IV60 to a fairly high level and have a lot I wouldn't have on the XC40.
Any opinions or advice is very much appreciated.
I want to make the right choice because its a lot of money
Planning on upgrading to EV and have narrowed it down to two cars, the XC40 (Single Motor) and the Enyaq IV60.
I was delighted to find this thread as it is the exact two cars I am looking at
Just wondering if anyone had made the decision either way and their thoughts on it?
Anything you wish you knew before making the decision which you now know in hindsight.
I test drove but the twin motor XC40 and the IV80 so it's hard to fully judge.
My main concern with the XC40 is it looks very similar to my current 3008 (Both in White) and it's actually just as old as it was released in 2018 but now has been updated as an EV. I'm worried that there is a high chance a new version will be released once they move the other models up to EV.
Also, the boot is slightly smaller than the 3008 and the floor hump in the back is bigger.
The Plus trim id would be going with does have ACC or Blindspot but I do love the Google maps integration.
WIth the IV60, my main concern is the length of time for the order and my wife said it looks more like a minivan than an SUV
She is in love with the XC40.
For the same price as the XC40 Plus trim I can spec out the IV60 to a fairly high level and have a lot I wouldn't have on the XC40.
Any opinions or advice is very much appreciated.
I want to make the right choice because its a lot of money
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