'Everyone I know who bought an electric car has gone back…’

[TheRainMaker]

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

What you need to establish really is the proportion of properties that have dedicated off-road parking or not. That’s the key differentiator.

The video I posted earlier in this thread covered this.

AA say 1/3 do not have dedicated off-road parking, the RAC have it at 35%, Mitie who have or did have the largest EV fleet in the UK and 77000 employees have the figure at 45%

Watch the video, is quite good.

Again though, plenty of inner city dwellers who don't own a car so the ability to charge at home on a driveway isn't an issue?

I remember reading somewhere that for all car owners, rather than all properties, it's more like 80/20.

Did you watch the video? this is straight from someone who is rolling out the largest fleet of EV's in the UK, not "I remember reading somewhere"

But still based on a tiny subset so not necessarily representative of the wider population, and in fact almost certainly won't be.

Not seen a response on the question of how many of the people who have no ability to charge at home actually own a car, which seems more pertinent than anecdotal evidence that suits a particular conclusion?

How on earth can you say 77000 people is a subset? They are one of the largest facilities management companies in the UK with a massive range of staff from all walks of life.

I'm interested to know if there was anything else in the video you didn't agree with?

With regards to the last question, you asked, not sure if that was aimed at me, but a very quick google brings up this report about parking from 2012, I can't see much will have changed between now and then.

https://www.racfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2...

[SWoll]

TheRainMaker said:

How on earth can you say 77000 people is a subset? They are one of the largest facilities management companies in the UK with a massive range of staff from all walks of life.

I'm interested to know if there was anything else in the video you didn't agree with?

With regards to the last question, you asked, not sure if that was aimed at me, but a very quick google brings up this report about parking from 2012, I can't see much will have changed between now and then.

https://www.racfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2...

30,000,000+ cars on the road in the UK, so of course 77,000 is a subset, 0.25% in fact. Also 1 in 5 people in the UK is retired, so there's a group that wont be represented in those figures either? Need to be careful with assumptions based on such limited data surely?

Unless I'm reading it wrong, doesn't that chart show approx 79% of homes with vehicles have off road parking?

[TheRainMaker]

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

How on earth can you say 77000 people is a subset? They are one of the largest facilities management companies in the UK with a massive range of staff from all walks of life.

I'm interested to know if there was anything else in the video you didn't agree with?

With regards to the last question, you asked, not sure if that was aimed at me, but a very quick google brings up this report about parking from 2012, I can't see much will have changed between now and then.

https://www.racfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2...

Unless I'm reading it wrong, doesn't that chart show approx 79% of homes with vehicles have off road parking?

Yes, which includes things like allocated parking, garages in blocks and all that fun stuff etc. Doesn’t mean you can charge there does it?

What figure are you going with for not being to charge at home?

Edit, just took out a % you quoted but I got you mixed up with someone else.

Edited by TheRainMaker on Monday 7th June 19:35

[ZesPak]

TheRainMaker said:

Yes, which includes things like allocated parking, garages in blocks and all that fun stuff etc. Doesn’t mean you can charge there does it?

So it means you can't?
Seriously, the investment needed for a lvl2 charger is minimal. If you have off street parking, charging shouldn't be an issue. And 7kw is plenty for just about anyone.

[ZesPak]

Cliffe60 said:

Are the quoted ranges at all realistic or do you have to stick to 30-40 mph to achieve it.?
What does 80 mph on the motorway do to the range, and what about cold winter nights with heater lights a/c wipers etc all in use?
I’ve only had a PHEV and never achieved the advertised range in EV mode.

Apparently WLTP isn't as unrealistic as most seem to think
https://insideevs.com/news/512426/norway-ev-summer...

Dependent on a lot of scenarios, you buy a car that has well over what you need so you don't have to worry about it, but when push comes to shove, it'll do the range of you adjust your driving style.

[TheRainMaker]

ZesPak said:

TheRainMaker said:

Yes, which includes things like allocated parking, garages in blocks and all that fun stuff etc. Doesn’t mean you can charge there does it?

So it means you can't?
Seriously, the investment needed for a lvl2 charger is minimal. If you have off street parking, charging shouldn't be an issue. And 7kw is plenty for just about anyone.

Over here, a fair few houses were built with garage blocks (off street parking), with no power and a fair distance from your house, generally council type stuff.



Houses were then also built in blocks and cars were very much an after thought.



Sucks to be poor I guess.

[ZesPak]

I don't know what life decisions you must have made to live in a house like that yet buy a new car.
Seriously, they have another decade of new ICE cars and then another couple of decades of second hand ICE cars.
That's longer than any of those structures have left in them.

As for the parking lot, I had two garage boxes on a lot like that, so similar it's creepy.
They now figured out that the light and the houses adjacent aren't powered by fairy dust and are adding power by request (and a fee of course) in several boxes.
edit: the lot I was on didn't have the luxury of a concrete floor so it's probably easier to pull the wiring

Edited by ZesPak on Monday 7th June 21:42

[putonghua73]

I'm looking for a used car in around a year. Am driving a 07 plate Audi A6 diesel that now has approx 207k miles (owned for 6 years), and drive approx 15k p/a, with 250 miles per week down the A1 (easy driving).

Ruled out EV due to cost (budget will be around 7.5k and expect to run until car dies - definitely up to 2030), and inconvenience: we have a corner house in a cul-de-sac with no driveway.

It's either a hybrid Toyota or Audi A3 (petrol / diesel). Need min 45mpg (A6 does 500 miles on a full tank).

I really would like to leave ICEs behind (partner has used 06 plate Lexus 400h), but still too early in terms of choice and infrastructure for me at least. Sadly, v.difficult to escape diesel driving an auto.

Update: decided on a BMW 3 Series [2012 onwards 320d] next year.

Edited by putonghua73 on Thursday 1st July 13:21

[annodomini2]

Diesel @45mpg over 15000 will cost you £2k/yr probably more with inflation.

Unlikely to see real world 45mpg on a petrol.

Electric will cost ~£187 on the right tariff.

2000-187 = ~1800/yr towards something electric if you wanted to take that path.

[ZesPak]

There's the flip side of course that, because diesel and ICE cars have become less desirable for most people, EV's retain their value relatively well while a good big diesel barge like an A6/XF/5-series/E-class can be picked up for relatively little.
Over here there's some very good deals to be had second hand on a couple year old diesel barges.

[annodomini2]

ZesPak said:

There's the flip side of course that, because diesel and ICE cars have become less desirable for most people, EV's retain their value relatively well while a good big diesel barge like an A6/XF/5-series/E-class can be picked up for relatively little.
Over here there's some very good deals to be had second hand on a couple year old diesel barges.

Actually 2nd hand values are up across the board due to little sales last year.

[LarryUSA]

We've owned an EV for 5 years now (Fiat 500 and currently eGolf). In all that time have only once charged away from home and that's only because the Fiat had a recall and the nearest dealer was 50 miles away and it only had an 80 mile range. Dealer charged it after fixing. Of course we have another vehicle (Jeep Wrangler) for longer trips. The eGolf has 140 mile range, every day, wife drives 40 mile round trip to work, charge it every night it's been used, just so easy. Solar panels pay for the electric and more and PG&E rebates (California) paid for the fist 3 years electricity anyway. For local trips, even to the coast (Monterey ~ 50 miles) it's our preferred choice as it's just so nice to drive. Active cruise control is the best.

People seem to want 500 miles range for some reason. Sure for some people, but the majority with reasonable commutes EV is ideal. We are lucky here in CA with lots of off street parking. When we lived in the UK in Stevenage on a terraced housing block on a busy road with a garage on a block a walk away, it would be a different matter...