Rimac Nevera vs. Ferrari SF90 - OMG!

[Zcd1]

Just nuts!

[SWoll]

At £2m you'd certainly hope so.

Will be funny if the 5 door Model S Plaid+ manages to put down similar times for <£140k as Elon claims.

[Dave Hedgehog]

SWoll said:

At £2m you'd certainly hope so.

Will be funny if the 5 door Model S Plaid+ manages to put down similar times for <£140k as Elon claims.

i doubt the roadster will be any faster than the C2 as well, although its 1/8th the price, well the one without compressed air jets anyway

its interesting that the 'must have options' more than double the SF90 price taking not far off 1 million

[Over over under steer]

gosh, that Ferrari does a 9.6 1/4 mile and gets left for dead.

Whatever you think of BEVs, that's mighty impressive.

[Frimley111R]

Amazing but then one does have double the power of the other!

[AnotherClarkey]

It was quite extraordinary really - particularly the roll-on test where he let the Ferrari go when it felt like it then instantly reeled it in.

I notice there isn't a thread on this elsewhere on the site. It does feel like the game has fundamentally changed and I wonder if people have run out of excuses like '0-60 is meaningless (despite having been a principal performance benchmark for years) but the 'real test' is acceleration above 100mph etc etc.

[Zcd1]

AnotherClarkey said:

It was quite extraordinary really - particularly the roll-on test where he let the Ferrari go when it felt like it then instantly reeled it in.

I notice there isn't a thread on this elsewhere on the site. It does feel like the game has fundamentally changed and I wonder if people have run out of excuses like '0-60 is meaningless (despite having been a principal performance benchmark for years) but the 'real test' is acceleration above 100mph etc etc.

Agreed on all fronts.

172 mph in a quarter mile is insane - 15 mph faster than even a Bugatti Chiron Super Sport!

[Terminator X]

So almost double the HP and Matt is surprised that it keeps winning

TX.

[ChocolateFrog]

It's a bit mind bending seeing what a sub 9 second car does to a sub 10 second car.

[67Dino]

Impressive straight line speed from Rimac, really shows we’re now at the point where ICE can’t touch electricity for power.

That said, the SP90 is deliberately designed to bring the best of both, so you still have the sound and fury of a Ferrari V8 as well as the oomph from electric. Plus being Ferrari it will be combined with some sublime handling.

Practically, straight line speed is only one aspect of a great car to drive and I’d be very surprised if the Rimac was anything like as enjoyable to drive on a twisty road.

[ZesPak]

ChocolateFrog said:

It's a bit mind bending seeing what a sub 9 second car does to a sub 10 second car.

Or in the lingo: an 8 second car vs a 9 second one.

Seen it yesterday and you do have to appreciate the price difference. But even then, it's pretty mind blowing that something can leave a high end Ferrari like that.
Rimac have a good product, but I do wonder how long until 3 or 4 drive units will be in <100k cars. It must be coming.
I'm still most curious to see what that will do to off roading. Having 4 motors instead of 3 diffs would be pretty incredible in terms of off road capabilities.

Chris Harris said:

Those who want to cling to internal combustion because of performance have no idea what's coming. They have no idea.

[AnotherClarkey]

I think we are getting to a point where the normal hybrid super/hypercar narrative is reversed and becomes "it would be so much better if they threw out all that ICE crap and replaced it with more batteries and electric motors".

[Dave Hedgehog]

ZesPak said:

Rimac have a good product, but I do wonder how long until 3 or 4 drive units will be in <100k cars. It must be coming.
I'm still most curious to see what that will do to off roading. Having 4 motors instead of 3 diffs would be pretty incredible in terms of off road capabilities.

The S Plaid deliverys start next week? 1000bhp low 9s qtr at around 150 and £112k

[off_again]

Dave Hedgehog said:

SWoll said:

At £2m you'd certainly hope so.

Will be funny if the 5 door Model S Plaid+ manages to put down similar times for <£140k as Elon claims.

i doubt the roadster will be any faster than the C2 as well, although its 1/8th the price, well the one without compressed air jets anyway

its interesting that the 'must have options' more than double the SF90 price taking not far off 1 million

Or you could get a 1995 Ford Mustang Cobra that will run less than 10 seconds in the 1/4 mile for $18k.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-ford-mustan...

Turned up to high boost, seller says its over 1000HP, but realistically its probably 800 at the wheels. Easily a 10 second car and on the right surfaces with the right fuel and high boost, I would suggest its into the 9's..... all for a fraction of the price.

My point? Performance is a relative thing. You can go VERY fast for little money and its broadly irrelevant. Model S can do some stupid figure, great, but I you can go even faster for significantly less money again. Its about what you want though. Is the Rimac worth $2m? For rarity, personalization and exotic reasons, it is probably worth it, is a Tesla Model S worth $140k? Again, probably, but for very different reasons - its not all about 0-60 though.

And what concerns me is that of the reviews that I have seen and read about both the Ferrari and the Rimac seem to focus on the 'special' aspect, or the lack of it. Ballistically fast, but lacking in involvement and fun factor. We are chasing ever decreasing 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, but are losing the drivability and fun factor. They are halo cars, so it probably doesnt matter, but lets see where we end up. Chasing YouTube clicks is nice, but cant see where this is going.

[robinessex]

An ICE will always struggle against an EV. Why? Because an electric motor produces full torque (which is the force that accelerates you) at stall. ICE engines do it near peak revs. No contest really.

[Clive Milk]

Dave Hedgehog said:

ZesPak said:

Rimac have a good product, but I do wonder how long until 3 or 4 drive units will be in <100k cars. It must be coming.
I'm still most curious to see what that will do to off roading. Having 4 motors instead of 3 diffs would be pretty incredible in terms of off road capabilities.

The S Plaid deliverys start next week? 1000bhp low 9s qtr at around 150 and £112k

Seems very good value for money in comparison if you want straight line performance and actually using it rather than sticking it in a garage

I've been a big fan of the new Lotus EV hypercar but it seems that they have made the battery tiny to get the weight down a la the Lotus ethic! So only 30 miles between charges ??

That cannot be right, maybe I read it wrong.

How can you have a hypercar that has to be trailered somewhere with a Landcruiser or Discovery to set records ????

[jason61c]

The Rimac really does set a new standard, while the owner of Rimac is also an engaging and talented guy also.

However, i'd take the Ferrari, just for the noise and drama.

[ZesPak]

jason61c said:

The Rimac really does set a new standard, while the owner of Rimac is also an engaging and talented guy also.

However, i'd take the Ferrari, just for the noise and drama.

And if there would be a Tesla Roadster, would that change anything?

[SWoll]

jason61c said:

The Rimac really does set a new standard, while the owner of Rimac is also an engaging and talented guy also.

However, i'd take the Ferrari, just for the noise and drama.

Same here. Still ludicrously quick, better looking, considerably lighter, sounds great and costs a fraction of the price.

But then, I'd take an 812 Competizione over either of them for the V12 alone.

ZesPak said:

And if there would be a Tesla Roadster, would that change anything?

Not for me. Don't care how fast EV supercars get personally as have zero interest in them.

EV great for 'normal' cars that you would use every day but the death of the Italian V8/V10/V12 is something we should all mourn.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 11th June 08:30

[Dave Hedgehog]

Clive Milk said:

Seems very good value for money in comparison if you want straight line performance and actually using it rather than sticking it in a garage

it has also lapped laguna seca faster than a P1, which aint bad for 3 tonne 5 seat family daily driver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBjp91zqnn8

first cars delivered a few hours ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUmkbzQ-BS0