EVs on their way out?

[budgie smuggler]

DJMC said:

MOBB said:

My prediction is that petrol pumps will be replaced by ev charge points, taking 5 mins to charge.

Then you can charge at home if you have a drive etc, ev station if you don’t

By the time 5 mins is possible, perhaps manufacturers will all have got together and produced a small (Beta-Max?) battery pack.
You drive in to the charging station, pack under the car is replaced with a charged one in 1 minute, off you go.

Already exists and in use in China, it's called something like 'neo'

eta: misremembered, 'NIO' is one of the manufacturers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsrDpsYHrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0StTrsdoD3c

Edited by budgie smuggler on Friday 18th June 14:40

[DapperDanMan]

DJMC said:

kambites said:

Well for me personally, an EV is just better in every way than a hydrogen car could ever be because it has the convenience that I can charge it at home. Why on earth would I want to pay far more to buy and run a far less convenient car?

If they're more convenient for you and you're happy to pay many times the running costs for that convenience, fill your boots. I think you'll be in a minority.

Is it more convenient to have to stop your EV and charge somewhere for 45 minutes or to fill up on hydrogen in 4?

Yes, next.

[Terminator X]

kambites said:

Well for me personally, an EV is just better in every way than a hydrogen car could ever be because it has the convenience that I can charge it at home. Why on earth would I want to pay far more to buy and run a far less convenient car?

If they're more convenient for you and you're happy to pay many times the running costs for that convenience, fill your boots. I think you'll be in a minority.

You can't see prices coming down as the tech gains traction you know a bit like the battery only cars

TX.

[Terminator X]

DJMC said:

MOBB said:

My prediction is that petrol pumps will be replaced by ev charge points, taking 5 mins to charge.

Then you can charge at home if you have a drive etc, ev station if you don’t

By the time 5 mins is possible, perhaps manufacturers will all have got together and produced a small (Beta-Max?) battery pack.
You drive in to the charging station, pack under the car is replaced with a charged one in 1 minute, off you go.

Miraculous Battery Improvements though, 10 years away never gets closer

TX.

[kambites]

Terminator X said:

You can't see prices coming down as the tech gains traction you know a bit like the battery only cars

Of course, but whatever technical advances we get, producing and compressing hydrogen is always going to take considerably more electricity than charging a battery and hence, unless electricity prices go negative, is always going to be more expensive.

[Terminator X]

RizzoTheRat said:

Hashtaggggg said:

I think "most" people living in cities would struggle to fill ups at home.

I would also guess that more people live in properties without driveways to charge their car than those who do.

There would be cable mayhem!

Only because the government/councils are way behind in resolving this non issue.
On street charge points are really common round here
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1094625,4.2787751,...

Is that Holland?!

London as an alternative ...



TX.

[ATG]

Smiljan said:

Yup, I think the tide is turning on that opinion at last. For buses, trucks, tow vehicles etc... it's much more viable that using massive battery packs and all of the issues that come with them.

Unless there's a sudden leap in energy density, weight and charging speeds for battery packs then hydrogen will for sure play a part of future vehicles.

No one ever claimed BEV would definitely fulfil every role. There is no "tide turning" on that point.

If you had a choice between building a battery powered vehicle and a vehicle with an ICE or HFC, all else equal, you'd choose a battery. It is an inherently simpler and more flexible technology. That goes for scooters, cars, planes, ships, whatever. You'd only choose another power source if the battery didn't scale adequately to meet the vehicle's requirement. No one would choose to engineer a more complex and expensive solution than necessary to fulfil a requirement. Until fairly recently, batteries weren't adequate for any transport application beyond milk floats. Battery tech has improved to the point where they have become viable for passenger cars with the emissions reduction helping to tip the scales.

If battery energy density and/or recharge speed improves, they'll start being used for mass transport and delivery vehicles too. If batteries don't improve further, they won't. It makes no difference if the improvement is "a sudden leap" or just incremental improvement.

[Hashtaggggg]

The other elephant in the room is where is all this electricity going to come from?

[kiseca]

Imagine if the OP had actually bothered to read the 40+ page thread on this very topic just weeks ago that covered the points they listed against EVs in an ignorant opening post as well as covering the current state of hydrogen options and research before starting this pointless thread instead of just trying to reset back to square one and then going on to insult anyone who disagreed with them as though they're the ones being ignorant or stupid.

Oh well, happy groundhog day, everyone.

[DJMC]

kiseca said:

Imagine if the OP had actually bothered to read the 40+ page thread on this very topic just weeks ago that covered the points they listed against EVs in an ignorant opening post as well as covering the current state of hydrogen options and research before starting this pointless thread instead of just trying to reset back to square one and then going on to insult anyone who disagreed with them as though they're the ones being ignorant or stupid.

Oh well, happy groundhog day, everyone.

Do you have an EV?

[Scrump]

Existing thread covering the same ground here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...