Batteries are not the Solution, Synthetic Fuels maybe

[Dave_Rich]

SWoll said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

jason61c said:

hunter 66 said:

EV is at the very earliest days of its development ..... which will move faster now big companies like VW are getting involved ..... yes synthetic fuels for racing , as ICE on the road will be obsolete . Plaid does 0-60 in under 2 secs and soon will be lighter and handle even better .
Yes I personally like slow noisy cars ......but they are the past sadly

I'd like to see an actual test of it doing 0-60 in under 2. also like to see how repeatable it is.

It didn't, 2.28 secs on motor trends test

It did, but under a rather specific set of circumstances you'll never be able to recreate on the road.

No it didn't. The 1.98 time was set with a roll out, so effectively a 6-60 time. The car was also effectively glued to the road.

Watch this for an explanation.

https://youtu.be/HAmv2IO9row

[rscott]

Dave_Rich said:

SWoll said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

jason61c said:

hunter 66 said:

EV is at the very earliest days of its development ..... which will move faster now big companies like VW are getting involved ..... yes synthetic fuels for racing , as ICE on the road will be obsolete . Plaid does 0-60 in under 2 secs and soon will be lighter and handle even better .
Yes I personally like slow noisy cars ......but they are the past sadly

I'd like to see an actual test of it doing 0-60 in under 2. also like to see how repeatable it is.

It didn't, 2.28 secs on motor trends test

It did, but under a rather specific set of circumstances you'll never be able to recreate on the road.

No it didn't. The 1.98 time was set with a roll out, so effectively a 6-60 time. The car was also effectively glued to the road.

Watch this for an explanation.

https://youtu.be/HAmv2IO9row

Isn't that fairly normal for US acceleration testing?

[ZesPak]

rscott said:

Isn't that fairly normal for US acceleration testing?

for some reason the US manufacturers allow for a 1 foot roll-out.
No standardized test for that like we have WLTP and the like unfortunately.

[Oilchange]

So not 0-60 then

[Dave_Rich]

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

[SWoll]

Dave_Rich said:

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

Standard US measurement practice I believe, nothing to do with Musk.

[anonymous-user]

Surely hydrogen is the only future fuel that would be acceptable in an ICE. It’s the carbon that’s the problem, it’s no better if it comes from a synthetic fuel, methanol or vegetable based ethanol., it still produces CO2 when it burns.
Indeed crop based fuels are doubly unjustifiable when people are starving .

[rscott]

Dave_Rich said:

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

Same as pretty much every other US 0-60 time then? https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a30085446/ac...

The 1ft rollout is their standard.

[Gary C]

politeperson said:

Thanks, very constructive.

I would have thought the energy to create the electricity would be through renewable, mainly solar.

So their is not enough solar power to drive the reaction to create enough chemical?

No matter where its comes from, it will always have to be paid for and as EV's will be cheaper to run for the majority of people, synthetic fuels will struggle to gain a foothold.

[ZesPak]

Dave_Rich said:

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

Yes it is. Just like the Germans who do 0-62. Should be locked up, the lot of them!

[wisbech]

Cliffe60 said:

Surely hydrogen is the only future fuel that would be acceptable in an ICE. It’s the carbon that’s the problem, it’s no better if it comes from a synthetic fuel, methanol or vegetable based ethanol., it still produces CO2 when it burns.
Indeed crop based fuels are doubly unjustifiable when people are starving .

Hydrogen cars are EV, not ICE. Rather than exploding the gas in cylinders to move a shaft, the gas is used to generate electricity that then moves a shaft.

[anonymous-user]

wisbech said:

Cliffe60 said:

Surely hydrogen is the only future fuel that would be acceptable in an ICE. It’s the carbon that’s the problem, it’s no better if it comes from a synthetic fuel, methanol or vegetable based ethanol., it still produces CO2 when it burns.
Indeed crop based fuels are doubly unjustifiable when people are starving .

Hydrogen cars are EV, not ICE. Rather than exploding the gas in cylinders to move a shaft, the gas is used to generate electricity that then moves a shaft.

You can use hydrogen both ways.

[gangzoom]

Cliffe60 said:

wisbech said:

Cliffe60 said:

Surely hydrogen is the only future fuel that would be acceptable in an ICE. It’s the carbon that’s the problem, it’s no better if it comes from a synthetic fuel, methanol or vegetable based ethanol., it still produces CO2 when it burns.
Indeed crop based fuels are doubly unjustifiable when people are starving .

Hydrogen cars are EV, not ICE. Rather than exploding the gas in cylinders to move a shaft, the gas is used to generate electricity that then moves a shaft.

You can use hydrogen both ways.

Surely by definition ultimately we are ALL driving hydrogen fueled cars. Its just a matter of when that hydrogen was fused.

[Dave_Rich]

SWoll said:

Dave_Rich said:

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

Standard US measurement practice I believe, nothing to do with Musk.

So why do Tesla post a real 0-60 time for the standard Model S.

0-60 is just that 0-60, not 6-60 ffs !

It's bullst. Watch the video I posted.

[Dave_Rich]

ZesPak said:

Dave_Rich said:

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

Yes it is. Just like the Germans who do 0-62. Should be locked up, the lot of them!

On the continent these use kph therefore they use a 0-100 kph which is 0-62.

Perfectly legitimate. Claiming the first foot of a 0-60 doesn't count clearly isn't.

[rscott]

Dave_Rich said:

ZesPak said:

Dave_Rich said:

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

Yes it is. Just like the Germans who do 0-62. Should be locked up, the lot of them!

On the continent these use kph therefore they use a 0-100 kph which is 0-62.

Perfectly legitimate. Claiming the first foot of a 0-60 doesn't count clearly isn't.

Agreed, but Tesla are following all the other US manufacturers who use the same methodology. I don't see why they're any better or worse than the others.

[SWoll]

rscott said:

Agreed, but Tesla are following all the other US manufacturers who use the same methodology. I don't see why they're any better or worse than the others.

Because Elon?

I'm not a fan, and our Tesla will be moving on shortly to be replaced with an EV from another manufacturer, but laying this at Tesla's feet when it's been a common practice for many years in the USA is ridiculous.

[ZesPak]

Dave_Rich said:

ZesPak said:

Dave_Rich said:

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

Yes it is. Just like the Germans who do 0-62. Should be locked up, the lot of them!

On the continent these use kph therefore they use a 0-100 kph which is 0-62.

Perfectly legitimate. Claiming the first foot of a 0-60 doesn't count clearly isn't.

Well, on the other continent they do a foot of roll-out for the acceleration.

Whoever is the main twitter tt at the company doesn't really factor in.

Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 23 June 10:16

[Oilchange]

ZesPak said:

Dave_Rich said:

ZesPak said:

Dave_Rich said:

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

Yes it is. Just like the Germans who do 0-62. Should be locked up, the lot of them!

On the continent these use kph therefore they use a 0-100 kph which is 0-62.

Perfectly legitimate. Claiming the first foot of a 0-60 doesn't count clearly isn't.

Well, on the other continent they do a foot of roll-out for the acceleration.

Whoever is the main twitter tt at the company doesn't really factor in.

Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 23 June 10:16

Plus, Motortrend have tested on VHT ( the sticky drag strip coating that aids take-off) twice.
In the last 72 years.

Not very real world testing here, miss a bit off there, make the tyres grip artificially…

[rscott]

Oilchange said:

ZesPak said:

Dave_Rich said:

ZesPak said:

Dave_Rich said:

Oilchange said:

So not 0-60 then

Is correct.

More Musk BS.

Yes it is. Just like the Germans who do 0-62. Should be locked up, the lot of them!

On the continent these use kph therefore they use a 0-100 kph which is 0-62.

Perfectly legitimate. Claiming the first foot of a 0-60 doesn't count clearly isn't.

Well, on the other continent they do a foot of roll-out for the acceleration.

Whoever is the main twitter tt at the company doesn't really factor in.

Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 23 June 10:16

Plus, Motortrend have tested on VHT ( the sticky drag strip coating that aids take-off) twice.
In the last 72 years.

Not very real world testing here, miss a bit off there, make the tyres grip artificially…

Motortrend also tested without VHT and with the rolling start (so exactly the same way they test all other vehicles) and got a 0-60 time of 2.07 seconds. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-over...