Goodbye Toyota/ Lexus?
Discussion
bristolracer said:
There also vast areas of the planet where pure EVs will not work as there will be no infrastructure for decades.
Africa, South America,vast pasts of Asia won't be going electric anytime soon.
If Toyota are still making ICE when many others have moved to only electric then Toyota could become the dominant player in the 3rd world.
Also the USA seems in no hurry to go all EV and I think they sell quite a lot over there.
Maybe they just consider Europe to be a smaller part of their global strategy.
Aren't Toyota dominant everywhere already? Africa, South America,vast pasts of Asia won't be going electric anytime soon.
If Toyota are still making ICE when many others have moved to only electric then Toyota could become the dominant player in the 3rd world.
Also the USA seems in no hurry to go all EV and I think they sell quite a lot over there.
Maybe they just consider Europe to be a smaller part of their global strategy.
It is a bit odd they haven't released anything yet as they were the first with the hybrid type systems etc.
That said, the petrol MHEV market is growing faster than the BEV market so maybe they called it right for this point in time and release something when the BEV market matures
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That said, the petrol MHEV market is growing faster than the BEV market so maybe they called it right for this point in time and release something when the BEV market matures
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Edited by TheRainMaker on Sunday 20th June 10:21
It’s easy to look at Toyota’s lack of BEV and think they’re behind the curve. But as electric car enthusiasts it’s easy to forget that so far in 2021 it’s still the case that more diesel cars have been sold than BEV’s. Looks like that might switch next year or the year after. Hybrids are selling like hot cakes which Toyota has always been a leader in. And selling cars is kind of the whole point of a car company.
saaby93 said:
Brilliant, I will just pop to my local Toyota dealer and get one today 
This appeared in my mail box, I've checked, checked again, and than again.....but it seems real.
Lexus will now put an additional 1 year manufacture backed warranty on our 2015 IS300H as long as I get it serviced at a Lexus dealer, and it appears the 1 year extension is applied after every dealer service, until the car is 10 years old or hits 100K miles.
To sweeten the deal they don't even care the car has never been serviced before!!!
We already have a top level AA cover from Lexus for the whole family for just over £120/year when normally it would cost around £250 presumably because Lexus knows their cars just don't break down, but this is just taking the peee......Especially compared to the awful reliability of the EV we have on the driveway.
Looks like we wouldn't be selling the Lexus hybrid for another few years yet!
Lexus will now put an additional 1 year manufacture backed warranty on our 2015 IS300H as long as I get it serviced at a Lexus dealer, and it appears the 1 year extension is applied after every dealer service, until the car is 10 years old or hits 100K miles.
To sweeten the deal they don't even care the car has never been serviced before!!!
We already have a top level AA cover from Lexus for the whole family for just over £120/year when normally it would cost around £250 presumably because Lexus knows their cars just don't break down, but this is just taking the peee......Especially compared to the awful reliability of the EV we have on the driveway.
Looks like we wouldn't be selling the Lexus hybrid for another few years yet!
This new warranty is creating a lot of controversy on the Lexus forums.
It sounds very good to prospective new customers, but to existing ones, the new (free) warranty is no where near as good as the extended warranty owners are prepared to pay for.
The new tighter terms and conditions would seem to give wiggle room to exclude a claim, making the warranty the same as other companies. Many, many owners are unhappy.
It sounds very good to prospective new customers, but to existing ones, the new (free) warranty is no where near as good as the extended warranty owners are prepared to pay for.
The new tighter terms and conditions would seem to give wiggle room to exclude a claim, making the warranty the same as other companies. Many, many owners are unhappy.
Don't forget that Toyota had a big push 5 odd years ago to put a hybrid in pretty much everything. If they've achieved that, this gives, in the UK at least another 5 years life on all their cars above most of their competition. So you'd expect those who don't have such widespread to be rushing to change their offering as their deadline is 5 years earlier.
If I'm right, in Toyota's case there's 13-14 years until their deadline, which is plenty of time to sell conventional and hybrid ICE now, and change to EV's as the public demands.
There's a fair few posts saying that without tax breaks EV's wouldn't survive. I'd agree that many people wouldn't buy them for the first time without those breaks, but I'd also wager that plenty once they had them would still happily drive them, even if they were taxed properly. For what it's worth I got no tax breaks to buy mine, no tax breaks buying the charger. I save a couple of hundred a year on road tax (or whatever it's proper name is), and the biggest savings on lack of fuel cost... but then I've had it now for 9 months and only done just over 3000 miles, so even those savings are quite low. I'm not saying everyone is in the same boat, and the tax breaks definitely help, but if your charging circumstances fit, the car has reasonable range and is half decent, I doubt many would go back even if it cost the same.
If I'm right, in Toyota's case there's 13-14 years until their deadline, which is plenty of time to sell conventional and hybrid ICE now, and change to EV's as the public demands.
There's a fair few posts saying that without tax breaks EV's wouldn't survive. I'd agree that many people wouldn't buy them for the first time without those breaks, but I'd also wager that plenty once they had them would still happily drive them, even if they were taxed properly. For what it's worth I got no tax breaks to buy mine, no tax breaks buying the charger. I save a couple of hundred a year on road tax (or whatever it's proper name is), and the biggest savings on lack of fuel cost... but then I've had it now for 9 months and only done just over 3000 miles, so even those savings are quite low. I'm not saying everyone is in the same boat, and the tax breaks definitely help, but if your charging circumstances fit, the car has reasonable range and is half decent, I doubt many would go back even if it cost the same.
Tabs said:
This new warranty is creating a lot of controversy on the Lexus forums.
It sounds very good to prospective new customers, but to existing ones, the new (free) warranty is no where near as good as the extended warranty owners are prepared to pay for.
The new tighter terms and conditions would seem to give wiggle room to exclude a claim, making the warranty the same as other companies. Many, many owners are unhappy.
I've read the terms and conditions, plus exclusions its much more comprehensive than the paid for extended warranty offered by Tesla. It sounds very good to prospective new customers, but to existing ones, the new (free) warranty is no where near as good as the extended warranty owners are prepared to pay for.
The new tighter terms and conditions would seem to give wiggle room to exclude a claim, making the warranty the same as other companies. Many, many owners are unhappy.
I have no idea what Lexus owners are complaining about, not many surely would have claimed? Why would you pay for an extended warranty on any Lexus/Toyota in the first place?
Tabs said:
This new warranty is creating a lot of controversy on the Lexus forums.
It sounds very good to prospective new customers, but to existing ones, the new (free) warranty is no where near as good as the extended warranty owners are prepared to pay for.
The new tighter terms and conditions would seem to give wiggle room to exclude a claim, making the warranty the same as other companies. Many, many owners are unhappy.
What a world we live in. people offered a free warranty and someone has to moan about it.It sounds very good to prospective new customers, but to existing ones, the new (free) warranty is no where near as good as the extended warranty owners are prepared to pay for.
The new tighter terms and conditions would seem to give wiggle room to exclude a claim, making the warranty the same as other companies. Many, many owners are unhappy.
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