New ID.3 vs used Tesla S

[Stephen-733s2]

Yeah its the front view that puts me off. But given the other options I'll have to reconsider.

[Heres Johnny]

Martyn76 said:

Electrifying.com on YouTube have just done done a video on 2nd hand Tesla Model S modela nd what to look out for, etc.

They have done one for the Audi Etron and ID3 too

https://youtu.be/RahRf96nkuo

The worse ever review of a car - riddled with factual mistakes. since when did tesla make an model 80, stating the model numbers meant battery size which is only true with the loosest of definitions. no talk of the real issues just cars had recalls, confusing the different autopilot versions with ages, he even admitted he didn't know what the car he was driving could or couldn't do etc,

The etron review was bad too, 3 and half days to charge from a 3 pin plug...

For a channel trying to promote electrric cars you'd think they'd get their facts right rather than put people off with garbage. It's no wonder their videos get relatively small numbers of views, after you've watrched for a bit of eye candy there's sadly not much else to be said for them.

Edited by Heres Johnny on Tuesday 29th June 15:21

[off_again]

Stephen-733s2 said:

Thanks Martyn.

Can't stomach the Zoe or the E208, sorry. Thanks though.

My sis has had two Zoe’s and while they are good for what they are (cheap urban transport), I absolutely wouldn’t put them in the same group as a Tesla or even some of the newer German cars. It’s very sparse inside and absolutely built down to a price. That doesn’t make it a bad thing (brand new they are a cheap monthly cost with the battery lease thing). But it’s no way close in my view. Simple things like the earlier infotainment wasn’t good for example.

Don’t know about the 208, but from what I have read, it’s a big step forward.

I do like to pick holes in the whole Musk fandom, but the cars themselves are very good for what they are. Are they the best? Really depends on personal preference, which I won’t comment on, but they do have the most efficient motors, best range (for their price), best safety and charging network. So for a premium, it is very much hassle free motoring. Just don’t expect the best seats, interior materials or stuff like that. It’s good and there is value in going for the more popular car.

My daughter broke the mirror off our i3. Simple mistake and easily done I suppose. But it’s not a conventional car or build. It’s been in at the body shop for a week now and jumped from a $900 bill to close to double that due to strengthening bars and stuff. A small thing I know, but goes to show that parts availability, standard and simple build processes do have a kick on effect. I know Tesla parts availability isn’t great too, but it has to be easier for simpler stuff. Just pay the penalty for being yet another Tesla driver.

But as others have commented, maybe just get a stop gap car in the short term (Leaf?) and wait for the new models coming. There are a number of interesting things coming in 2022 / 23, which might like a fire!

[JonChalk]

Stephen-733s2 said:

Thanks a lot guys, I may well reconsider.

I just cant stomach paying more for a second hand ID.3 than you can get a new one for. Plus the idea with DTD discounts was I could get an ID.3 for around 28k. Quite a bit less than the model 3/S etc. Push it up into the 30k early 30k range and it doesn't seem as good value next to the Teslas. Then I'm looking at Model 3s and theyre around 36k and Im thinking well for a bit more I could get an iPace... so what started out a a straight swap for what I'd get for my current car and into an ID.3 I've now managed to make my car and another 14k!

This is a common thread on here and other forums; you HAVE to buy a Tesla, regardless of your own personal budget.

It doesn't matter if you have a £30k budget (as I did), numerous people will tell you to find £10k more for a Tesla. Would the same people be recommending an E-class Mercedes, if you were asking for advice on buying a Mondeo?

[Stephen-733s2]

Haha. Cheers guys.

Could always try and find a cheaper Model 3 and if I still can’t take the looks when new ones come out swap then. Tesla’s seem to hold their value pretty well so would seem to be relatively risk free.

[sjg]

I've been tempted by that route too, once you've had the Telsa CCS upgrade (£300ish) it doesn't seem a bad route into a roomy, long range, modern charging (CCS at 100+kW) car that can also use Superchargers if it's convenient.

Lots of things that go wrong (door handles, etc) seem to have quite easy fixes. However the early UK ones are about to come to the end of their 8 year drivetrain warranty. I'm not so nervous about the batteries but with the drive units Tesla just replace them whole under warranty. Good used ones fetch silly money because they're in demand for conversions. There are more in the US that are now out of their drivetrain warranty, seems to be some specialists now who can repair for $3-4k (new bearings, coolant seals, etc) - who knows if you'd be able to get it done here if you needed it in the next few years.

They still feel a bit expensive to take that kind of risk on IMO.

If you don't need the space than a Kia Soul 64kWh can be had for £27k, still with 6 years of warranty left. Or new for around £31k with the full 7 years.

[Stephen-733s2]

I put a General Electric search on autotrader with max 0-60 of 8 seconds and I don’t remember that coming up. I’ll take another look though. Thanks.

[dmsims]

Stephen-733s2 said:

I put a General Electric search on autotrader with max 0-60 of 8 seconds

If it helps that's not the whole story - I have had to adjust driving down known roads as I have arrived at corners rather too quickly. It's a great thing for reducing TED down the lanes.

[Stephen-733s2]

Yeah I found the same in the id.3 test drive. Wasn’t as slow as I thought it was. But still too slow for my liking if I’m honest. But I’m coming from a 540i so and id.3 was bound to feel slow to be honest.

[DSLiverpool]

If it’s just commuting the ioniq SE we just got is running at 1.2p a motorway mile on cheap rate power.

It might need a bit of charge at work though - might be a deal breaker - but not much

It has everything you need and is comfy enough

Buy a convertible / V8 with the money saved.

[aestetix1]

Dave Hedgehog said:

its the same as the S apart from the front bumper

the base RWD car is a hoot to drive

The other thing to keep in mind is that the 3 and S are very low and wide. The 3 you are basically driving in a recumbent position, it's ridiculous like something from the 80s.

It might be okay for you but definitely try one out to see if it's practical first.

[Stephen-733s2]

Thanks a lot, will check first.

[annodomini2]

aestetix1 said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

its the same as the S apart from the front bumper

the base RWD car is a hoot to drive

The other thing to keep in mind is that the 3 and S are very low and wide. The 3 you are basically driving in a recumbent position, it's ridiculous like something from the 80s.

It might be okay for you but definitely try one out to see if it's practical first.

Whereas an ID.3 is like driving a van, you are so high up, it's not a hatchback, it's a crossover.

[Deadlysub]

Stephen-733s2 said:

Thanks a lot guys, I may well reconsider.

I just cant stomach paying more for a second hand ID.3 than you can get a new one for. Plus the idea with DTD discounts was I could get an ID.3 for around 28k. Quite a bit less than the model 3/S etc. Push it up into the 30k early 30k range and it doesn't seem as good value next to the Teslas. Then I'm looking at Model 3s and theyre around 36k and Im thinking well for a bit more I could get an iPace... so what started out a a straight swap for what I'd get for my current car and into an ID.3 I've now managed to make my car and another 14k!

There were as of two weeks ago a lot of brand new stock cars. Keep trying.

[Stephen-733s2]

Thanks Deadly.

Someone mentioned FB groups that you could try on, but I havent heard back which groups and can't find anything searching on there for "ID.3". Does anyone know, please?

Other than that I'm assuming it's just ringing around all the dealers..?

[sjg]

"VW ID.3 UK Owners" on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1678376285643713/ There's a few helpful dealership people on there.

[Stephen-733s2]

Thanks a lot!