Hybrid/ev etiquette. New owner tips
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Just about to pick up my first hybrid(530e)
Any nuances or etiquette I should be aware of
Things like not Charging a hybrid if it’s the last bay or things that will be frowned upon by pure EV users?
My understanding is that the 530 is a type 2 chademo connector is this pretty much industry standard?
I’ve already downloaded Zap-Map and it shows literally thousand of free to use chargers is this actually the case?
Any nuances or etiquette I should be aware of
Things like not Charging a hybrid if it’s the last bay or things that will be frowned upon by pure EV users?
My understanding is that the 530 is a type 2 chademo connector is this pretty much industry standard?
I’ve already downloaded Zap-Map and it shows literally thousand of free to use chargers is this actually the case?
It's type 2 not Chademo, they are two totally different connectors. Chademo is mainly found on Nissan Leaf's and some other Jap cars,
I have to say as a 'pure EV' driver it's a little annoying when you find a PHEV taking up a single unit charge point but I guess we don't have a monopoly on them.
There are a lot of free chargers out there but they are usually destination chargers at something like a hotel, health club or supermarket. They're useful but often not that fast, not that it really matters with a PHEV as you have another option to get home when your battery runs out.
I have to say as a 'pure EV' driver it's a little annoying when you find a PHEV taking up a single unit charge point but I guess we don't have a monopoly on them.
There are a lot of free chargers out there but they are usually destination chargers at something like a hotel, health club or supermarket. They're useful but often not that fast, not that it really matters with a PHEV as you have another option to get home when your battery runs out.
Edited by RobbyJ on Sunday 4th July 19:42
jason61c said:
its not worth charging a 530e away from home, it'll cost you more than the fuel it'll use.
100% not true. Only yesterday I took my wife’s Passat GTE on a 28 mile (each way) trip to Manchester city centre. Got there with 95% of the trip on batteries, a mile or so of range left. Charged to full cost me £2.82. The fuel for the round trip (at 40mpg) would have been £8.24.The public charging meant that the return trip was also 95% EV.
Edited by paradigital on Sunday 4th July 19:59
PHEV charging does more for the totally electric miles than an EV. Reality a lot of car park charging that free is just people getting free electric and topping up when home anyway. With a PHEV that can happen but they have to drive home on fuel…
Now who’s hogging the EV charging? There’s my thought for the day so ignore the stigma on this subject.
Now who’s hogging the EV charging? There’s my thought for the day so ignore the stigma on this subject.
JonnyVTEC said:
PHEV charging does more for the totally electric miles than an EV. Reality a lot of car park charging that free is just people getting free electric and topping up when home anyway. With a PHEV that can happen but they have to drive home on fuel…
Now who’s hogging the EV charging? There’s my thought for the day so ignore the stigma on this subject.
Haha that's fair enough. To be fair 9 times out of 10 if it's a free charger I don't NEED to charge, I'm just taking some free electricity.Now who’s hogging the EV charging? There’s my thought for the day so ignore the stigma on this subject.
paradigital said:
100% not true. Only yesterday I took my wife’s Passat GTE on a 28 mile (each way) trip to Manchester city centre. Got there with 95% of the trip on batteries, a mile or so of range left. Charged to full cost me £2.82. The fuel for the round trip (at 40mpg) would have been £8.24.
The public charging meant that the return trip was also 95% EV.
I had a 530e, would do about 17 miles on the battery. The public charging meant that the return trip was also 95% EV.
Edited by paradigital on Sunday 4th July 19:59
to the OP, just charge the car as you see fit, don't worry if there's a BEV waiting etc, its just part of the process.
I think bmw phev’s are really slow at charging - only 3 kw?
So a couple of hours to charge a 530e to do less than 20 miles - but that’s on a 7kw type 2 charger which will also charge an EV pretty slowly. Most EV drivers will think an phev driver very rude to prevent them from charging - in a phev you can keep going regardless but an EV driver cannot
So a couple of hours to charge a 530e to do less than 20 miles - but that’s on a 7kw type 2 charger which will also charge an EV pretty slowly. Most EV drivers will think an phev driver very rude to prevent them from charging - in a phev you can keep going regardless but an EV driver cannot
InitialDave said:
Don't use public charge points in a hybrid, they're for people in EVs who actually need them.
This. Or at least, if you are using one, be aware of who else is waiting. It could take you an hour to get your 20 miles of range while the pure EV behind you might need 20 minutes to get 4 times that amount.Many of the Ecotricity old setups at motorway services have two chargers but only one has rapid ccs charger port (it will have 3 cables). If you are going to use type 2 use the charger that only has two cables and doesn't have ccs. Three ccs cars could have come and gone with 90 miles range added each in the time your phev has used to add only 25 miles.
romeogolf said:
InitialDave said:
Don't use public charge points in a hybrid, they're for people in EVs who actually need them.
This. Or at least, if you are using one, be aware of who else is waiting. It could take you an hour to get your 20 miles of range while the pure EV behind you might need 20 minutes to get 4 times that amount.Now you, and anyone who drives the car needs to be aware of your place in the EV hierarchy. You will be questioned on what you are doing in the place you are visiting. Where you plan on going, do you have a charge point at home. What is your % at the moment.
Are you local. ..
If you are new to the area you might be able to sidestep the EV police, but people will walk their dogs and check up on who has a charge point which is why owning a Red Tesla is never a good idea.
The EV police will consist of Muskateers and Old Leaf owners, the white Tesla 3s who are upset that other people own an EV, even though they will have been as vocal about others converting as a Vegan Crossfit enthusiast.
Aging 1st Gen Leafs owned by the old couple who are trying to keep their % between 60-80% as they got their last warranty battery 5 years ago and are now trying to baby it as it only holds 70% now.
You also have Nero, Zoe E-Up and other EV people now adding the ranks, they don't have the same religious commitment of the early adopters. But they will have the same disdain for the person in the Range Rover e400 as they are not as environmentally philanthropic as they are.
Their "need" is now your problem and like any religion suffering is seen as a path to righteousness.
anonymous said:
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The halcyon days of booking a hotel knowing they wanted an EV there, you would park outside, hell only having a disabled badge gave you more of a priority. An organic supply and demand relationship is now over as all the people who bought a diesel car are now buying an EV. Fuelled on over the next 10 years by the government artificially heating the car market, but without looking at the charge network being standardised in cities means that what has been 10% of the new cars being EV over the last 10 years is now magically going to be 100%. You also have cars needing rapid charging as that's why people bought their Taycan as that is what the app says they can charge at. So they did not plan on waiting longer to use the slower point.
As for holidaying with an EV or going to places outside of what you know..
sisu said:
My experience of using my EV and other peoples, like the Tesla, ID4, BMW.
It is like having an old 70s car with a shagged waterpump.
-around town no question, suburbia its great.
-Want to go somewhere odd, out of your bubble you are scanning a map to see where you can stop after a couple of hours. Can we swing by your Aunts place overnight to use the utilities without seeming as though the car is the motivator, as you try to remember if they have an outside socket?
-With the Aunt being out of the question, you propose stopping at random towns or places for 30-50 minutes, no not for the car No. I love walks in Mid Century villages or industrial estates.
-You are then approached by Locals with EVs, they want to know why you are taking so long at the charge point. They want to know the condition of your car and where you are going as they want to use the only charger that works. So you cut the time short.
-Having taken their advice you then realise yours is the thirstier car than the spec they have. You drive like a priest on everything other than downhills, you are thinking momentum without making the kids sick.
- Now A/C is a treat, it should be used sparingly, you have the fan on minimum and now know why the last guy had a fabric interior. Coasting into a town you feel resplendent, you drop all the windows to let the breeze thru because you have all suffered to get through to here.
-When you get to the fast charge point there is another car there, you send the Mrs to walk to get ice creams to cool off as now like a pilot you calculate the range and 10% so you should get there on 66%. You aim for 70% as this should give you enough to get there and open up the taps on the bits you look at on the map.
It is like having an old 70s car with a shagged waterpump.
-around town no question, suburbia its great.
-Want to go somewhere odd, out of your bubble you are scanning a map to see where you can stop after a couple of hours. Can we swing by your Aunts place overnight to use the utilities without seeming as though the car is the motivator, as you try to remember if they have an outside socket?
-With the Aunt being out of the question, you propose stopping at random towns or places for 30-50 minutes, no not for the car No. I love walks in Mid Century villages or industrial estates.
-You are then approached by Locals with EVs, they want to know why you are taking so long at the charge point. They want to know the condition of your car and where you are going as they want to use the only charger that works. So you cut the time short.
-Having taken their advice you then realise yours is the thirstier car than the spec they have. You drive like a priest on everything other than downhills, you are thinking momentum without making the kids sick.
- Now A/C is a treat, it should be used sparingly, you have the fan on minimum and now know why the last guy had a fabric interior. Coasting into a town you feel resplendent, you drop all the windows to let the breeze thru because you have all suffered to get through to here.
-When you get to the fast charge point there is another car there, you send the Mrs to walk to get ice creams to cool off as now like a pilot you calculate the range and 10% so you should get there on 66%. You aim for 70% as this should give you enough to get there and open up the taps on the bits you look at on the map.
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