The push for us to have electric cars
Discussion
Even if i relented in my stance that no single speed silent car will ever offer me what my 760 bhp of twin turbo V10 petrol does; even if i unfortunately had to go and buy electric at some point, HOW do they expect people to afford them?
If we are talking run of the mill cars for the majority of people i see that little electric hatchbacks are like £33,000 to buy new. Who the hell is going to do that other than a select few people? Seriously, if my lad wanted his next car would he take a loan out the amount of half a decent flat in some parts of the UK to get a Nissan Micra electric or would he spend £8,000 on a nice used Fiesta ST and stay debt free?
I realise i am old school in this and apparently i'm dreadful for the environment with the vehicles i own and love, but am i the ONLY person who would never spend a fortune on a poxy little electric hatchback?
If i'm guilty of some terrible sin, shoot me now i guess!
If we are talking run of the mill cars for the majority of people i see that little electric hatchbacks are like £33,000 to buy new. Who the hell is going to do that other than a select few people? Seriously, if my lad wanted his next car would he take a loan out the amount of half a decent flat in some parts of the UK to get a Nissan Micra electric or would he spend £8,000 on a nice used Fiesta ST and stay debt free?
I realise i am old school in this and apparently i'm dreadful for the environment with the vehicles i own and love, but am i the ONLY person who would never spend a fortune on a poxy little electric hatchback?
If i'm guilty of some terrible sin, shoot me now i guess!
A used Leaf or Zoe, omg how exciting to look forward to. 180 bhp Fiesta ST turbo every time if i was 20 years old again. Or maybe the best Golf GTI i could find at my budget.
I sense i'll be hanging on to petrol power for as long as the control freaks allow me to and since this is PISTON heads i can but hope there are a few of you who feel the same?
I sense i'll be hanging on to petrol power for as long as the control freaks allow me to and since this is PISTON heads i can but hope there are a few of you who feel the same?
Given.my pre-covid commute in a 3.2 petrol Omega doing 20k miles a year, the fuel saving would more than pay for the lease payments on an new electric car.
Given the BIK I could even put it through my LTD company as a company car.
I'm not do doing the miles at the moment, but I might.
Given the BIK I could even put it through my LTD company as a company car.
I'm not do doing the miles at the moment, but I might.
SuperPav said:
Well if he’s going to buy a used car he could maybe oh I don’t know buy a USED electric car for £8k?
A leaf or a Zoe, or in several years time when he’ll be worrying about it, perhaps an i3?
Yeah maybe and like a an old customer of ours spend every day nervously trying to find somewhere to charge it. Realistic range on the first Leaf was 75 miles. Pathetic. Stressful.A leaf or a Zoe, or in several years time when he’ll be worrying about it, perhaps an i3?
Person with probably the most expensive to run car ever, worrys about cost of cars??
REAL EXMPLE:
We owned a small battery BMW i3 for 5 years, bought AUC ex-demo in 2015, sold at the start of this year. Total cost over those 5 years including:
Insurance,
Tax,
Depreciation,
Electricity (inc charger socket install)
Servicing,
tyres
came to £50.41 per month
And that was for a premium german, carbon fibre rwd car that gets to 60 in less than 7 seconds, seats 4 in a very high quality comfort, has lots of BCAP stars, has a very very good real world performance, and it quiet and fun to drive
It was such brilliant little car, we traded it in for a new BMW i3s :-)
But yeah, they'll never catch on these EVs
oh....
Even as a tool to get to work with no thought of fun, i'd still take a modern 3 cylinder 70 mpg petrol every single time.
I guess i am a naughty petrolhead through and through.
Expensive, silent, single gear electrics just do not float my boat. I drove the new Tesla 4x4 the Ludicrous version and yes the acceleration was stunning. But otherwise it left me cold. I couldn't wait to fire up 10 cylinders of pure evil, so to speak, rather than engage drive in a silent well behaved leccy.
For me it's like when we watch the semi final this week do we have pizza and a glass of red; or cucumber and lettuce with a bottle of Evian?
I guess i am a naughty petrolhead through and through.
Expensive, silent, single gear electrics just do not float my boat. I drove the new Tesla 4x4 the Ludicrous version and yes the acceleration was stunning. But otherwise it left me cold. I couldn't wait to fire up 10 cylinders of pure evil, so to speak, rather than engage drive in a silent well behaved leccy.
For me it's like when we watch the semi final this week do we have pizza and a glass of red; or cucumber and lettuce with a bottle of Evian?
Max_Torque said:
Person with probably the most expensive to run car ever, worrys about cost of cars??
My personal situation means i don't have to worry about the cost of motoring. Many years of graft and wise investments have made that possible. I am concerned about OTHER people like my own kids and friends' kids fgs.Edited by BroadsRS6 on Monday 5th July 07:53
mike13 said:
Read the thread on first charging experience on the ev thread, if that doesn't put you off, nothing will. we're years away from it being practical for daily use.
Totally. Electric cars and their crap range in reality, not in the sales gumph, are hopeless for most people still.Edited by mike13 on Monday 5th July 07:51
Add in boring and motoring is going down an unfortunate route where truly exciting cars are being abolished.
Pistonheads will never be the same if we all end up in self driving silent cars, sorry.
mike13 said:
Read the thread on first charging experience on the ev thread, if that doesn't put you off, nothing will. we're years away from it being practical for daily use.
Or like 3 months when all the unreliable Ecotricity Electric Highway chargers have been replaced by the new owners Gridserve, and in 12-18 months when dual charger locations are upgraded to 6-12 chargers.Edited by mike13 on Monday 5th July 07:51
Oh and the Instavolt chargers going in at McDonald's, Costa, KFC.
Podpoint at Tesco (hundreds of destination chargers in last 12 months).
So not really years away....
Max_Torque said:
BroadsRS6 said:
I couldn't wait to fire up 10 cylinders of pure evil, so to speak, rather than engage drive in a silent well behaved leccy.
Sniff? Sniff, is that you??one for the PH cliches thread i think......
Pistonheads. Remember the name!!!
Max_Torque said:
These threads are going to look hilarious in a few years time, like people in 2005 complaining that smartphones dont' work and the radiation is killing their (already abscent) brains......
Life will be ridiculous when your battery car drives YOU to work or to the silent Grand Prix.mike13 said:
Read the thread on first charging experience on the ev thread, if that doesn't put you off, nothing will. we're years away from it being practical for daily use.
One person having a bad experience at an Aldi charger would only put you off if you're already convinced it doesn't work. We've run EV's as daily cars for over 2 years and 25k miles without issue so perfectly possible for many to do so id suggest.Edited by mike13 on Monday 5th July 07:51
However I do agree with the OP that if the driving experience is the highest priority they don't deliver in comparison to ICE, but then 99.9% of car owners aren't driving/car enthusiasts anyway and interesting used ICE cars will be around for quite a while yet for those that want them.
PH for me will always stand for combustion engine-d, great sounding, fast cars. If i'm alone on this that is fine. Until the control freaks force my hand i'll always have one eye on what to buy next and it will always be something with lots of cylinders, a shed full of bhp, loads of gears and most likely 2 turbos.
Life's too short. Live the only one we get and grow old disgracefully.
Life's too short. Live the only one we get and grow old disgracefully.
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