Which 5 or 6 year old EV?

[cj2013]

Max_Torque said:

Consider how "cheap" is cheap

Our last i3, bought ex demo in 2016 worked out at just £50,41 a month over the 5 years we owned it, including everything (tyres, lecy, servicing, tax, depreciation, insurance)

Yes, we needed to find £16k to buy it, but we got £14.5k of that back when we sold it and running costs we stupidly low.

Unfortunately it's a case of horses and stable doors for those kinds of deals. An i3 out of general warranty is still £18k, so it's a gamble if anything unrelated to the battery fails (e.g. the drivetrain).

I guess PCP gets you access to newer tech, and means you shouldn't have to worry about 'fixing' anything, or catastrophic failures, but the gamble is against GMFV if you want something tangible at the end of it

A loan is a gamble against depreciation, and (generally) you have something tangible at the end, but you're gambling against anything catastrophic (and general maintenance) being covered by your own wallet.

[johnjamesjack]

Just my thoughts after owning a 2018 i3 for 3 weeks so far - it’s an absolutely brilliant car. I just did the 110 mile trip into London and back without charging, with 30 miles of battery left.
It’s also a lot more practical than I thought - it’s got a smaller footprint than my sister’s 5 door Mini, but carried 4 people (2 of whom are 6”4 / 110kgs), a dog and 3 suitcases in comfort! If you can stretch to 14k you can get a car with a 94ah battery which can do about 150 miles in one go.

[cj2013]

johnjamesjack said:

Just my thoughts after owning a 2018 i3 for 3 weeks so far - it’s an absolutely brilliant car. I just did the 110 mile trip into London and back without charging, with 30 miles of battery left.
It’s also a lot more practical than I thought - it’s got a smaller footprint than my sister’s 5 door Mini, but carried 4 people (2 of whom are 6”4 / 110kgs), a dog and 3 suitcases in comfort! If you can stretch to 14k you can get a car with a 94ah battery which can do about 150 miles in one go.

I think the Mrs is vetoing the idea of an MX-30 or i3 because of the quirky rear doors (we have kids)

[lost in espace]

Some Youtuber just sold their i3 because the wing mirrors cost £800, I seem to recall.

My 30kwh Leaf with 50k / 2017 had degraded to 77 percent but I just had a lib update free from Nissan and its back up to 87 percent and should do 115 miles. They are big and tough cars. You might find one with a degraded battery that recovers when it has the update, if you get Leafspy you might be able to haggle and get this done post purchase.

[sjg]

cj2013 said:

I think the Mrs is vetoing the idea of an MX-30 or i3 because of the quirky rear doors (we have kids)

Try it first. I test drove an i3 today and our kids (6 and 4) could get in and out fine. That lower window line for the rear window gives them better visibility too. Once they’re forward facing it's way easier.

They can’t get in/out themselves though. At this age I’m considering that a good thing.

[anonymous-user]

cj2013 said:

johnjamesjack said:

Just my thoughts after owning a 2018 i3 for 3 weeks so far - it’s an absolutely brilliant car. I just did the 110 mile trip into London and back without charging, with 30 miles of battery left.
It’s also a lot more practical than I thought - it’s got a smaller footprint than my sister’s 5 door Mini, but carried 4 people (2 of whom are 6”4 / 110kgs), a dog and 3 suitcases in comfort! If you can stretch to 14k you can get a car with a 94ah battery which can do about 150 miles in one go.

I think the Mrs is vetoing the idea of an MX-30 or i3 because of the quirky rear doors (we have kids)

Also, do remember the front seat backs can tilt fowards too! The release is hidden up by the headrest and lots of people don't spot this, but it makes for easy youngster loading whilst the front seats are in the normal all the way back position!

[anonymous-user]

lost in espace said:

Some Youtuber just sold their i3 because the wing mirrors cost £800, I seem to recall.

I have literally no idea why you would buy a mirror for a second hand car out of warranty from a main dealer? There's plenty of I3's breaking now so parts like this, which are same between all i3's are easily available at much more reasonable prices!

[Mr E]

georgeyboy12345 said:

2016 Nissan Leaf, 24 kwh, claimed range 124 miles

I have done 20k in a 24KWh leaf. That range claim is highly optimistic in the summer and comical in the winter.

I have a 24 mile commute down the motorway. I charge at least every day.

[Welshbeef]

Mr E said:

I have done 20k in a 24KWh leaf. That range claim is highly optimistic in the summer and comical in the winter.

I have a 24 mile commute down the motorway. I charge at least every day.

Which practically means for anyone with on street parking this will be a Royal PITA

[Mr E]

Welshbeef said:

Which practically means for anyone with on street parking this will be a Royal PITA

Unless, of course, they regularly park it somewhere that can provide appropriate power. Just a thought.

[Welshbeef]

Mr E said:

Welshbeef said:

Which practically means for anyone with on street parking this will be a Royal PITA

Unless, of course, they regularly park it somewhere that can provide appropriate power. Just a thought.

Just a thought as more and more become EV drivers that place you suggest will become less and less available.

Actually where on a residential street are you thinking appropriate provision for charging is coming from?

[sjg]

Max_Torque said:

lost in espace said:

Some Youtuber just sold their i3 because the wing mirrors cost £800, I seem to recall.

I have literally no idea why you would buy a mirror for a second hand car out of warranty from a main dealer? There's plenty of I3's breaking now so parts like this, which are same between all i3's are easily available at much more reasonable prices!

I think they’re taking about Chris Knapman on cargurus. His car was under warranty and that was something he claimed for. He sold it because he had two quirky small cars (other is an Audi A2) and needed to swap one for a bigger family car that can carry bikes and stuff. I’m guessing he spends plenty of time in press cars anyway.

[Mr E]

Welshbeef said:

Just a thought as more and more become EV drivers that place you suggest will become less and less available.

Because, of course the number of places that could provide power is a fixed constant and can never be increased. And it’s not like we have power to pretty much every building in the country or anything.

You’re right. The problem is insurmountable. We shouldn’t even try.

[anonymous-user]

Where are you going in your car? When you get there, what do you do with the car?

For most people, the answers are:

1) work
2) Leave it in the work car park



The fact is, a passenger car spends something like 98% of its entire lifetime parked.......

[Welshbeef]

Mr E said:

Because, of course the number of places that could provide power is a fixed constant and can never be increased. And it’s not like we have power to pretty much every building in the country or anything.

You’re right. The problem is insurmountable. We shouldn’t even try.

That posted stated it’s apparently 124miles which is laughable and he needs to charge daily.
Terraced street someone parks in “your” space what do you do? Early start to have to go to a charging point - and then it could be same frequently.

[cj2013]

Max_Torque said:

Where are you going in your car? When you get there, what do you do with the car?

For most people, the answers are:

1) work
2) Leave it in the work car park



The fact is, a passenger car spends something like 98% of its entire lifetime parked.......

For me, it varies. Often its running kids around, going to the shops etc. A few times a year (if the situation ever improves) it would involve longer journeys with the family in the car, 400-500mi round trips.

Fortunately, my commutes will be only around 20 a year, but involve 100mi+ trips.

I think I've made a balanced choice to look at PCP for something new. That way, I'll likely hit all of my requirements.
Granted I won't own necessarily something at the end of it (for what I'm putting in per month), but I'll also have no risk of mechanical/electrical failure costs, and I doubt a £9k 30kWh leaf will be worth a huge amount in 4 years time either.