EV's and Long Journeys

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Saleen836

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11,135 posts

210 months

Saturday 10th July 2021
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Ford have broken the record for energy use...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57777588

But as it was an attempt to show if electric cars were viable for "real-world long distance use" and reading the article,i'm not so sure they are close enough yet

essayer

9,094 posts

195 months

Saturday 10th July 2021
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An extreme example (6 miles per kWh is impressive!)

In the real world, they’re fine. I drove my Leaf from Cornwall to London yesterday. I had to charge once, for eight minutes (10kWh). Took longer than that to take the kids to the loo.

Edited by essayer on Saturday 10th July 13:09

MDMA .

8,930 posts

102 months

Saturday 10th July 2021
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Everyone in the real world travels at night with the air con and radio off, with 2 extra drivers and a team of Ford engineers and AA breakdown men following.

dgswk

899 posts

95 months

Saturday 10th July 2021
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essayer said:
An extreme example (6 miles per kWh is impressive!)

In the real world, they’re fine. I drove my Leaf from Cornwall to London yesterday. I had to charge once, for eight minutes (10kWh). Took longer than that to take the kids to the loo.

Edited by essayer on Saturday 10th July 13:09
Absolutely, just different. And the extra 20 mins over 200 miles I took this morning (which involved a double sausage and egg McMuffin + coffee) is worth it for the effortless motorway driving experience. 3.8 miles / kWh in a 400bhp Polestar 2. Round trip (400 miles) cost me £7.50.

Oh - and a fiver for the Maccy D’s biggrin

Edited by dgswk on Saturday 10th July 14:59

Cobnapint

8,636 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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MDMA . said:
Everyone in the real world travels at night with the air con and radio off, with 2 extra drivers and a team of Ford engineers and AA breakdown men following.
Precisely. So about as far removed from 'real world' as it's possible to get.

Glasgowrob

3,246 posts

122 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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In the real world I could do that in half the time with one driver in a modem diesel with radio 2 on and the window down in fact a nice man from wales done in in a third of that


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/939...

I love the idea of an EV but for sheer eating miles I’ll still take a modern diesel

Curiously is there any cars out there with a big enough tank from the factory that could do it in one hit?



anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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Shouldn’t be too much of an ask for a modern diesel, an E220d should easily be able to do it, 60+ litre tank and high 50s mpg.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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charltjr said:
Shouldn’t be too much of an ask for a modern diesel, an E220d should easily be able to do it, 60+ litre tank and high 50s mpg.
wow, 50 mpg eh, gosh.

6.5 miles per kWh which is the conmsumption this latest record achieved is the same energy consumption as an ICE doing 302 mpg!

Lets make this clear. You could drive the EV in this record from scotland six times and only use the same energy as a single trip in your 50 mpg derv!


This is the thing, this record demonstrates that today, with a modern BEV you can buy a full sized family car, that is fast, comfy, quiet and nice to drive, and yet drive it carefully and you can have an incredibly low footprint.

Pretty soon, doing just 50 mpg is, imo, going to be both socially unacceptable and possibly illegal too.............

Pica-Pica

13,867 posts

85 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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dgswk said:
essayer said:
An extreme example (6 miles per kWh is impressive!)

In the real world, they’re fine. I drove my Leaf from Cornwall to London yesterday. I had to charge once, for eight minutes (10kWh). Took longer than that to take the kids to the loo.

Edited by essayer on Saturday 10th July 13:09
Absolutely, just different. And the extra 20 mins over 200 miles I took this morning (which involved a double sausage and egg McMuffin + coffee) is worth it for the effortless motorway driving experience. 3.8 miles / kWh in a 400bhp Polestar 2. Round trip (400 miles) cost me £7.50.

Oh - and a fiver for the Maccy D’s biggrin

Edited by dgswk on Saturday 10th July 14:59
… and the biggest cost is … DEPRECIATION (or lease costs) and loss of earnings on capital.

essayer

9,094 posts

195 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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The biggest cost is to the NHS due to the extra Maccy D’s and Whopper meals biggrin

Cobnapint

8,636 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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essayer said:
The biggest cost is to the NHS due to the extra Maccy D’s and Whopper meals biggrin
There'll be a cost to the economy in productivity too, created by the downtime waiting for cars (and eventually vans) to charge up. There's only so much you can achieve in a motorway service station (or car charging super hub as we'lll need eventually).

Pica-Pica

13,867 posts

85 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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Now this was range anxiety, and an external combustion engine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamsh...

Cobnapint

8,636 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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Great place to land though

andy97

4,704 posts

223 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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I am currently driving approx 230 miles to work in Devon each week, commuting about 5 miles each way from the hotel to the office and returning home on one tank of Diesel. The car is loaded with my weekly stuff and a set of golf clubs, the air con and radio and sat nav,are on, and occasionally the headlamps and wipers too.

I stop once on the long journey to go to the loo and that’s it. 5 minutes. There is no charging point at the hotel or office.

The car (a 3 litre X3) cost me about £25k 4 years ago and is probably now worth £8k if I am lucky but I get paid 45p per mile in expenses for my business miles. I bought it myself, no loans or lease deals. I also need it to tow a race car trailer several times a year.

Is there an EV that can do all this please?

TheRainMaker

6,363 posts

243 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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andy97 said:
Is there an EV that can do all this please?
Nope, not yet.

andy97

4,704 posts

223 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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TheRainMaker said:
andy97 said:
Is there an EV that can do all this please?
Nope, not yet.
Exactly, so doesn’t meet my real world requirements. I knew the answer before I asked the question!

SWoll

18,487 posts

259 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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TheRainMaker said:
andy97 said:
Is there an EV that can do all this please?
Nope, not yet.
Well, that's the millions of drivers with 460 mile round trip commutes and racing cars that need towing out then. Might as well give up now as clearly never going to be viable. smile

Richard-D

773 posts

65 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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andy97 said:
Exactly, so doesn’t meet my real world requirements.
Then your requirements are WRONG!!!!! You can't buy a car to meet your requirements. You buy a car that is socially acceptable and then adapt the rest of your life to suit. Come on man, get with the programme!!! !!! !

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Cobnapint

8,636 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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Richard-D said:
andy97 said:
Exactly, so doesn’t meet my real world requirements.
Then your requirements are WRONG!!!!! You can't buy a car to meet your requirements. You buy a car that is socially acceptable and then adapt the rest of your life to suit. Come on man, get with the programme!!! !!! !
Quite. He's just not on message is he. biglaugh

MrGTI6

3,163 posts

131 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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Glasgowrob said:
I love the idea of an EV but for sheer eating miles I’ll still take a modern diesel
Agreed.