EV's and Long Journeys

[jason61c]

Max_Torque said:

Pretty soon, doing just 50 mpg is, imo, going to be both socially unacceptable and possibly illegal too.............

Dailymail?

[MrGTI6]

jason61c said:

Max_Torque said:

Pretty soon, doing just 50 mpg is, imo, going to be both socially unacceptable and possibly illegal too.............

Dailymail?

So if your car does 51mpg then you'll be fine?

[jason61c]

MrGTI6 said:

So if your car does 51mpg then you'll be fine?

I think that's what he's saying(or making up).

Maybe its only 50mpg that hes going to make illegal? 49mpg is ok?

[Castrol for a knave]

In the last 10 days I did Welsh borders to Dunbar and back in a day. About 700 miles .

3 stops, 90 minutes in total in M3LR.

Trick is to set off at full charge and top up as you go.

90 minutes was fine to pick up emails, do a con call, have a piss etc.

Also did run to Ipswich and Kent tomorrow.

It is perfectly feasible to do big miles in an EV, just takes a little thought.

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

Max_Torque said:

6.5 miles per kWh which is the conmsumption this latest record achieved is the same energy consumption as an ICE doing 302 mpg!

Lets make this clear. You could drive the EV in this record from scotland six times and only use the same energy as a single trip in your 50 mpg derv!

I hadn’t really thought about it like this before, assuming this is right; that’s quite impressive!

[Pica-Pica]

jason61c said:

Dailymail?

Out of date - it’s the Daily Express nowadays.

[Pica-Pica]

All this thread is about is marginal costs, it does not think about total costs.

[andy97]

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

andy97 said:

Is there an EV that can do all this please?

Nope, not yet.

Well, that's the millions of drivers with 460 mile round trip commutes and racing cars that need towing out then. Might as well give up now as clearly never going to be viable.

Whether it’s race cars, or caravans, or horses or boats, plenty of people do have similar requirements. Of course, not a majority but a reasonably significant minority. And even without towing, plenty of people do need to drive 460 miles in a round trip and have no desire for several long (ish) stops to charge on route.

[dhutch]

andy97 said:

TheRainMaker said:

andy97 said:

Is there an EV that can do all this please?

Nope, not yet.

Exactly, so doesn’t meet my real world requirements. I knew the answer before I asked the question!

But that's not really the cars fault, it's a lack of support structure. We have an EV charge point at our office, and roll out is coming to hotels.

[Terminator X]

Max_Torque said:

Pretty soon, doing just 50 mpg is, imo, going to be both socially unacceptable and possibly illegal too.............

TX.

[dhutch]

I think it's quite likely our next car will be an EV, on my partner's NHS car scheme jobba, replacing the 1.9 diesal ford.

Other cars in the fleet are my 330ci, a 1924 Austin and the Westfield.
Currently I commute using the train and an electric unicycle.

Just need someone to make a decent estate EV so that we dont have to end up in a toss looking SUV mess.


Daniel

Edited by dhutch on Monday 12th July 15:48

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

andy97 said:

Whether it’s race cars, or caravans, or horses or boats, plenty of people do have similar requirements. Of course, not a majority but a reasonably significant minority. And even without towing, plenty of people do need to drive 460 miles in a round trip and have no desire for several long (ish) stops to charge on route.

I do see your point. Though with a EV with a big battery, it’s potentially one 45 minute stop these days I think? You will probably want or need a break in 460 miles, and a wee and a drink must be about 20 mins by the time you have parked, walked in etc. So for me, an extra 20 minutes to save quite a bit of money on fuel isn’t a bad trade off.

[andy97]

Chainsaw Rebuild said:

andy97 said:

Whether it’s race cars, or caravans, or horses or boats, plenty of people do have similar requirements. Of course, not a majority but a reasonably significant minority. And even without towing, plenty of people do need to drive 460 miles in a round trip and have no desire for several long (ish) stops to charge on route.

I do see your point. Though with a EV with a big battery, it’s potentially one 45 minute stop these days I think? You will probably want or need a break in 460 miles, and a wee and a drink must be about 20 mins by the time you have parked, walked in etc. So for me, an extra 20 minutes to save quite a bit of money on fuel isn’t a bad trade off.

When I drive long distances, which I do frequently I do need a comfort break but rarely stop for a coffee or a sandwich etc. I just want to get to the destination as quickly as possible.
Stopping, and having to plan to stop, for 45 mins is 30 mins too long for me on a 4 hour, 230 mile journey.

I have recently watched a Harry’s garage review of the Porsche Taycan. He charged it up at an Instavolt charger having stated that there were only 4 x 230 Kw chargers in the U.K.
The charger was rated at 125kw but only actually charged at 80kw with 2 other cars using adjacent chargers. It charged at 3.6 miles per minute and Harry put 23 miles worth of charge in at a cost of £2.50. So to meet my 230 mile one way journey requirement I have to charge for 64 minutes (25% of the journey time) and it costs £25.
I think my X3 costs me about £35 in diesel for the same journey and the car didn’t cost £100k.

Edited by andy97 on Monday 12th July 08:46

[SWoll]

andy97 said:

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

andy97 said:

Is there an EV that can do all this please?

Nope, not yet.

Well, that's the millions of drivers with 460 mile round trip commutes and racing cars that need towing out then. Might as well give up now as clearly never going to be viable.

Whether it’s race cars, or caravans, or horses or boats, plenty of people do have similar requirements. Of course, not a majority but a reasonably significant minority. And even without towing, plenty of people do need to drive 460 miles in a round trip and have no desire for several long (ish) stops to charge on route.

Lots of time before that minority (towing) will have to switch to pure EV though even if buying a new car with hybrids on sale until 2035?

With work or hotel based charging a 460 mile round trip commute would require zero charging en-route in numerous current EVs , so far from insurmountable?

andy97 said:

When I drive long distances, which I do frequently I do need a comfort break but rarely stop for a coffee or a sandwich etc. I just want to get to the destination as quickly as possible.
Stopping, and having to plan to stop, for 45 mins is 30 mins too long for me on a 4 hour, 230 mile journey.

Why would you need to stop for 45 minutes on a 230 mile journey?

Edited by SWoll on Monday 12th July 08:47

[andy97]

SWoll said:

andy97 said:

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

andy97 said:

Is there an EV that can do all this please?

Nope, not yet.

Well, that's the millions of drivers with 460 mile round trip commutes and racing cars that need towing out then. Might as well give up now as clearly never going to be viable.

Whether it’s race cars, or caravans, or horses or boats, plenty of people do have similar requirements. Of course, not a majority but a reasonably significant minority. And even without towing, plenty of people do need to drive 460 miles in a round trip and have no desire for several long (ish) stops to charge on route.

Lots of time before that minority (towing) will have to switch to pure EV though even if buying a new car with hybrids on sale until 2035?

With work or hotel based charging a 460 mile round trip commute would require zero charging en-route in numerous current EVs , so far from insurmountable?

andy97 said:

When I drive long distances, which I do frequently I do need a comfort break but rarely stop for a coffee or a sandwich etc. I just want to get to the destination as quickly as possible.
Stopping, and having to plan to stop, for 45 mins is 30 mins too long for me on a 4 hour, 230 mile journey.

Why would you need to stop for 45 minutes on a 230 mile journey?

Edited by SWoll on Monday 12th July 08:47

As I said in my original post, there are no charging points at either the hotel I stay at or work, and there isn’t a car park near an office window where I can trail a power lead out to the car. There is a charging point at a garage about a mile away, but I then have to go there and wait for 64 minutes to get a charge. Not convenient.

A stop of 45 mins to complete a charge was suggested by “chainsaw”.

[RobbyJ]

and that's fine, if it doesn't work for you yet it doesn't work for you. Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to make the change........yet.

I found the switch really easy. I go down to Devon quite a bit, it's 200miles door to door for me. If I drove at 70mph I could easily make it door to door without stopping. If I want to go quicker I stop at Gordano for a quick loo break, plug it into a Supercharger for 10 mins and I'm on my way. I plug into a 3 pin plug at my folks house and repeat the quick charge on the way home. It's not 45 mins and it's not inconvenient.

The hotel opposite my folks has a destination charger, as do many hotels now. I think with a few simple changes like a different hotel you could easily make it work without even noticing but some just don't want to yet, and that's fine.

My Dad thinks the whole EV thing is crazy and just looks for every reason why it won't work and yet I manage to show up without compromising the journey I would have had in an ICE car at all. I also get to steal his electricity, win win (for me).

Oh and I also tow my boat with my EV without issue too.

Edited by RobbyJ on Monday 12th July 12:03

[otolith]

These flushing toilets - is there one that will still let me throw my sewage out of the window and into the street? If I have to go and sit on a toilet, I'm out.

[RobbyJ]

otolith said:

These flushing toilets - is there one that will still let me throw my sewage out of the window and into the street? If I have to go and sit on a toilet, I'm out.

For clarity any stop at a motorway services is a #1 stop not a #2 stop! I'd rather sh*t myself than sit down on a services toilet!

[NS66]

Max_Torque said:

charltjr said:

Shouldn’t be too much of an ask for a modern diesel, an E220d should easily be able to do it, 60+ litre tank and high 50s mpg.

wow, 50 mpg eh, gosh.

6.5 miles per kWh which is the conmsumption this latest record achieved is the same energy consumption as an ICE doing 302 mpg!

Lets make this clear. You could drive the EV in this record from scotland six times and only use the same energy as a single trip in your 50 mpg derv!


This is the thing, this record demonstrates that today, with a modern BEV you can buy a full sized family car, that is fast, comfy, quiet and nice to drive, and yet drive it carefully and you can have an incredibly low footprint.

Pretty soon, doing just 50 mpg is, imo, going to be both socially unacceptable and possibly illegal too.............

Your probably right ( sadly ) in your last sentence but what a boring world it will become!!!

[Heres Johnny]

I've owned an EV since 2015, probably driven 100k miles in an EV and toured Europe. The time to charge is not the issue for me, the organisation, planning, at times inconvenience of having to go out of your way or let the charging dictate the route did become the issue. I don;t want to have to find a hotel with a charging point or hold my bladder for an extra 20 mins to reach where Ineed to get to charge (thats an age thing) or not be able to take a detour because of traffic without recomputing the energy needs and where I'd next stop.

So anyone saying its entirely possible are absolutely correct in pretty much all situations. To say its not without complications at the moment, and will be until rapid chargers are umbiquitous and you know every service station, town and villiage or wherever you might need to charge has suitable charging infrastructure that you simply locate when you feel you need to charge, is simply wrong, you always have to know where you're getting your next charge from when touring and what plan b is.

We're recently switched our cars around, the EV is the local runaround which its perfect at, anything distant we take the ICE.

Edited by Heres Johnny on Monday 12th July 14:02