The Future Is Electric
Discussion
gangzoom said:
The fact EVs of all kinds are so easy to refuel using ancient looking fuel sources is pretty amazing compared to petroleum.
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Where there is a plug, there is an energy source for an EV. Last time I checked, I have a few at home & work....[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51308501251_171b7aa70b_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
But, to be fair, yes the public charging network isnt as good as it might be. That is changing and will continue to improve over time (though Tesla cracked this a few years ago). However, a bit of planning and lateral thinking, and you can charge an EV to solve most use cases.
Had an i3 for over a year now but used public charging twice. My wife even went 6 months without visiting a petrol station! She thinks that this is a win on its own. The magic charging fairy comes every night and the car is ready to use the next day. Pretty cool huh?
Max_Torque said:
stickleback123 said:
Another "New thing not as well established or mature as 120 year old thing" thread. Very productive.
Suck it up b
hes, soon enough it'll be EVs or the bus for you 
I've just nipped to the supermarket in my i3 (8 miles round trip, total cost = 16 pence of 'lecy) and i sawSuck it up b
hes, soon enough it'll be EVs or the bus for you 2 x Taycans
2 x TM3
1 x leaf
1 x Kona
1 x zoe
anyone who says "EVs won't catch on" had better get used to things eh! :-)
LukeBrown66 said:
They catch on because of guilt, wealth and feel goodness and oneupmanship. They are very expensive and not fit for purpose compared to the vast majority of cars.
They are not catching on where it matters, they will, in time, but I am talking about where it REALLY matters.
Where does it REALLY matter? They are not catching on where it matters, they will, in time, but I am talking about where it REALLY matters.
Essentially business users couldn't give a crap about RRP because it's largely irrelevant - leasing an EV through a company car scheme, a salary sacrifice scheme, or as a limited company director is a no brainer at the moment. Especially the latter.
Beyond the business user case, anyone taking out a PCP on any new car - BEV or not - isn't ever concerned by the sticker price of the car, only the monthly cost.
It's really interesting to watch this happen over and over.
Someone gets a whiff of EV, picks a reason it won't work for them, whether that's 600 miles non-stop journeys they make daily, or can't charge at home or even the non-real problems like the battery dies within a couple of years.
You'll then see them muster all these as defences against change. I've seen it with people near me, a work colleague for example that needed to drive from work, home (80miles), then to their grandparent in Cornwall, none stop (218 miles), and then home again (another 218 miles), and no they couldn't charge away, nor stop enroute. One or twice a year. So with nothing doing 516 miles they couldn't possible have one.
My dad, his first comment when I mentioned EV's? "There's no chargers round here, so that won't work". I pointed out that since he's got a driveway, he can charge at home, and so the chargers he needs are 200 odd miles away, for when he's going on a journey.
It just seems that once someone has plucked a reason they don't work, no matter how flimsy they go with it... and then if possible add more. It's so predictable the moment you see them go to object, you know this is how it'll work.
I've never understood the fascination with Hydrogen either. Sure it means your fill up time is 10 minutes or so, but that's it... that's the only upside. Why are people so desperate to visit a petrol station? I don't get it.
Someone gets a whiff of EV, picks a reason it won't work for them, whether that's 600 miles non-stop journeys they make daily, or can't charge at home or even the non-real problems like the battery dies within a couple of years.
You'll then see them muster all these as defences against change. I've seen it with people near me, a work colleague for example that needed to drive from work, home (80miles), then to their grandparent in Cornwall, none stop (218 miles), and then home again (another 218 miles), and no they couldn't charge away, nor stop enroute. One or twice a year. So with nothing doing 516 miles they couldn't possible have one.
My dad, his first comment when I mentioned EV's? "There's no chargers round here, so that won't work". I pointed out that since he's got a driveway, he can charge at home, and so the chargers he needs are 200 odd miles away, for when he's going on a journey.
It just seems that once someone has plucked a reason they don't work, no matter how flimsy they go with it... and then if possible add more. It's so predictable the moment you see them go to object, you know this is how it'll work.
I've never understood the fascination with Hydrogen either. Sure it means your fill up time is 10 minutes or so, but that's it... that's the only upside. Why are people so desperate to visit a petrol station? I don't get it.
phil4 said:
It just seems that once someone has plucked a reason they don't work, no matter how flimsy they go with it... and then if possible add more. It's so predictable the moment you see them go to object, you know this is how it'll work.
That's what stupid people are like, "I fear change" is not a new thing.You can't use reason to get them out of a position they didn't get into through reason. They were or would have undoubtably been the same d
heads crying about removing tetraethyl lead from fuel 30 years ago, or crying about not being able to buy DDT anymore. They're always on the wrong side of history.stickleback123 said:
That's what stupid people are like, "I fear change" is not a new thing.
You can't use reason to get them out of a position they didn't get into through reason. They were or would have undoubtably been the same dheads crying about removing tetraethyl lead from fuel 30 years ago, or crying about not being able to buy DDT anymore. They're always on the wrong side of history.
Exactly.You can't use reason to get them out of a position they didn't get into through reason. They were or would have undoubtably been the same d
heads crying about removing tetraethyl lead from fuel 30 years ago, or crying about not being able to buy DDT anymore. They're always on the wrong side of history.A decent EV is a wonderful thing and is indeed becoming the way of now and the future.
Burning fossils inefficiently on a very small scale, and dumping the exhaust products at ground level, is ridiculous if you think about it.
Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 14th July 10:53
essayer said:
EVs will not work for me as I commute 400 miles each day with no charging or electricity at home or work. I stop for four minutes to have a wee. I also tow a large boat.
I'm similar. I commute from UK to Cape Town every few weeks and tow a caravan. I stop for maybe 5 minutes max and do the journey on one tank. Is there an EV that can do that?essayer said:
EVs will not work for me as I commute 400 miles each day with no charging or electricity at home or work. I stop for four minutes to have a wee. I also tow a large boat.
Rivian, Ford F-150 lightening ev thing (300miles, 4.5T tow)…. get saving, won’t be long before they make a 400mile one if required.. personally I prefer a coffee and a chiko roll every 500km or so (Aust.)Not sure if this thread is serious?!
MC Bodge said:
Burning fossils inefficiently on a very small scale, and dumping the exhaust products at ground level, is ridiculous if you think about it.
Every time in traffic queues in my EV I think all the cars around me with noisy engines are prehistoric and crude in comparison Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 14th July 10:53
LukeBrown66 said:
They catch on because of guilt, wealth and feel goodness and oneupmanship. They are very expensive and not fit for purpose compared to the vast majority of cars.
They are not catching on where it matters, they will, in time, but I am talking about where it REALLY matters.
NoThey are not catching on where it matters, they will, in time, but I am talking about where it REALLY matters.
I want one as i hate petrol stations
AND
I hate to break this to you
BUT
4 pot diesels sound like s
t
oop north said:
MC Bodge said:
Burning fossils inefficiently on a very small scale, and dumping the exhaust products at ground level, is ridiculous if you think about it.
Every time in traffic queues in my EV I think all the cars around me with noisy engines are prehistoric and crude in comparison Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 14th July 10:53
No such thing as a free lunch. Green tax on electric motoring won’t be far away. They will need to replace all that petrol and diesel tax and road tax. Cost of green motoring will eventually be more expensive than petrol. Just a question of when that happens. In the meantime manufactures see an opportunity to price their electric cars at a higher price point particularly as most people somehow seem to feel it’s a good deal to fund their deprecation at 6/8% pa when interest rates are no more than 1%. Nice business model. Pay through the roof for a fast depreciating asset when you can borrow at a third of the cost and invest in an appreciating asset.
cc3 said:
No such thing as a free lunch. Green tax on electric motoring won’t be far away. They will need to replace all that petrol and diesel tax and road tax. Cost of green motoring will eventually be more expensive than petrol. Just a question of when that happens. In the meantime manufactures see an opportunity to price their electric cars at a higher price point particularly as most people somehow seem to feel it’s a good deal to fund their deprecation at 6/8% pa when interest rates are no more than 1%. Nice business model. Pay through the roof for a fast depreciating asset when you can borrow at a third of the cost and invest in an appreciating asset.
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