Kia EV6 vs ioniq 5

[delta0]

SWoll said:

Gone very quiet, probably down to the long lead times and chip shortages across the industry as a whole. Of course could also have just been floating it to get attention on the standard car with no intention of it releasing this year?

Oldwolf said:

I ordered an EV6 AWD just before Xmas and was told the GT was expected to be qtr 4 2022.
No idea how true

I just spoke with my local Kia and they are saying back end of this year so Q4 would make sense. Might put a deposit down. Do you know if the deposit was refundable?

[Oldwolf]

delta0 said:

I just spoke with my local Kia and they are saying back end of this year so Q4 would make sense. Might put a deposit down. Do you know if the deposit was refundable?

I didn't want to ask, I don't need the GT and was quite glad it was so far off so I wasn't tempted by it.
As they can sell all they can get I would hope it's refundable.

[delta0]

anonymous said:

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You are probably the 1st in the country. I’ll probably drop by the dealer at the weekend and put a deposit down if it’s refundable. It’s dependent on a house move going through which will allow me to install a charger as I can’t at my current place.

[delta0]

anonymous said:

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I’ve sat in one at Goodwood and was really impressed with the build quality. My feeling is the same about ditching the gas guzzler and if I can get something with silly acceleration instead that makes the change easy. Having experienced a Tesla M3P it made the amount of power it has so accessible and easy to use I was shocked. Thinking about doing that in a real wheel drive petrol I would probably end up binning it some day.

[SWoll]

anonymous said:

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The biggest challenge is understanding that everyone else on the road isn't calibrated for how quickly you can move. You really do have to pick your moments, more so than in any performance ICE car I've had previously as it's obviously completely silent and phenomenally responsive.

In all honesty after 2 years with an M3P I'd say it's far more performance than you will ever really need and the abiding sensation is frustration rather than enjoyment. The opportunities to use even half of the performance on offer are incredibly fleeting when you are in license losing territory in the blink of an eye.

On our 3rd EV now (i3 > M3P > eTron 55) and the performance of the current one feels about perfect for the road. Takes 5 seconds or so to 60 (its's a little soft in response from standstill) but picks up very nicely from 30-70 where it really matters.

[Murph7355]

Had a go in an EV6 today.

I've been coming to this realisation for a while, but I really need to recalibrate what car money actually buys these days

In many respects the EV6 (first electric car I've been in, let alone driven) is very good. The build quality was good, and it looks quite different. Tons of space (I'm 6'4" with long legs and could sit behind a seat set for me to drive). There were some very nice touches like part of the display turning to a wing mirror camera when indicating (though am not sure how much extra of the road it was showing). And I thought it drove and steered very well.

But...

Whilst the interior was interesting to look at, a lot of the materials were below par for what I'd expect of a 50k-60k car. The seat facings were fine, but the dash and door capping plastics were hard and uninviting, seatbacks made of the same material etc. The centre console materials were a bit of a mish-mash and the bits in piano black will look grubby quickly.

The two mode LED touch switches for air-con and infotainment seemed interestingly quirky for 30secs, then annoying. As were the touch screen controls for the seat heater/ventilation which even within a 30min drive were all too easy to brush, turning things on/off.

I found the head up display interesting at first, but the road sign portion was in a part of my eye line that made it distracting (didn't spend enough time with the car to learn how to turn it off). And I didn't actually find the car that quick (RWD GT line car). It's possible I wasn't giving the accelerator enough of a push I guess....but was expecting more alacrity from the off. Also, is it possible to have the sunroof cover open but the sunroof closed?

A lot of these things you could learn to live with...but the interior materials would be a bit of a deal breaker for me at this price point. I wonder how much more it would cost to have a nice headliner, door cappings and to get a bit of give in the dash.

[delta0]

Murph7355 said:

Had a go in an EV6 today.

I've been coming to this realisation for a while, but I really need to recalibrate what car money actually buys these days

In many respects the EV6 (first electric car I've been in, let alone driven) is very good. The build quality was good, and it looks quite different. Tons of space (I'm 6'4" with long legs and could sit behind a seat set for me to drive). There were some very nice touches like part of the display turning to a wing mirror camera when indicating (though am not sure how much extra of the road it was showing). And I thought it drove and steered very well.

But...

Whilst the interior was interesting to look at, a lot of the materials were below par for what I'd expect of a 50k-60k car. The seat facings were fine, but the dash and door capping plastics were hard and uninviting, seatbacks made of the same material etc. The centre console materials were a bit of a mish-mash and the bits in piano black will look grubby quickly.

The two mode LED touch switches for air-con and infotainment seemed interestingly quirky for 30secs, then annoying. As were the touch screen controls for the seat heater/ventilation which even within a 30min drive were all too easy to brush, turning things on/off.

I found the head up display interesting at first, but the road sign portion was in a part of my eye line that made it distracting (didn't spend enough time with the car to learn how to turn it off). And I didn't actually find the car that quick (RWD GT line car). It's possible I wasn't giving the accelerator enough of a push I guess....but was expecting more alacrity from the off. Also, is it possible to have the sunroof cover open but the sunroof closed?

A lot of these things you could learn to live with...but the interior materials would be a bit of a deal breaker for me at this price point. I wonder how much more it would cost to have a nice headliner, door cappings and to get a bit of give in the dash.

The RWD GT Line is a 0-60 in 7.1s car and costs £43k. Unfortunately the cost of making electric vehicles means that you are looking at much bigger price to get an equivalent to a petrol/diesel car.

Edited by delta0 on Friday 14th January 18:52

[JonChalk]

I've found the interior to pretty good, and definitely a step up from ID.3/.4 (and the ID.4 is similarly priced to the EV6). In fact the only car I've owned that was a nicer place to sit was my 2017 S5, which was fantastic inside. I did not like / rate the interior of he 330e I owned before converting to BEV, IMHO the EV6 is better than that was.

You can adjust the apparent vertical position of the HUD on the windscreen.

Yes, sunroof blind can be opened without opening the sunroof

The RWD isn't fast, no, but is plenty quick enough day-to-day and the drive modes have real differential in response. The AWD is plenty quick enough by all counts, though.

[Murph7355]

delta0 said:

The RWD GT Line is a 0-60 in 7.1s car and costs £43k....

That explains the urge

I'm sure the salesman had noted £50k for the spec we were in, but it was a mate who was looking really so I wasn't paying massive attention.

He noted the AWD GT version was going to be a chunk more (I think £58k for those who ordered a while ago and wasn't sure what the price might be moving forwards. Also noted Q3/Q4?).

JonChalk said:

I've found the interior to pretty good, and definitely a step up from ID.3/.4 (and the ID.4 is similarly priced to the EV6). In fact the only car I've owned that was a nicer place to sit was my 2017 S5, which was fantastic inside. I did not like / rate the interior of he 330e I owned before converting to BEV, IMHO the EV6 is better than that was.....

My current benchmark's a mk2 Volvo XC90 (5yrs old) and it's nowhere near that.

The thing is I don't think it would take that much to take it up a decent notch. A few small bits of leather or even the seat facing material on the doors, a bit of slightly padded material on the dash, a better headlining (same as the seat facing) and it would really lift the interior. The buttons, the steering wheel, the clunk of the doors etc are all good.

"For a Kia" it's very good....but for the sake of a little bit more thought/material (surely no more than a couple of hundred quid?) I wouldn't have found myself having to say that

[T1berious]

Take delivery on the 24th, AWD GT line with heat pump.

Have been steadily impressed by the reviews and the real world testing I've seen via RSymons.

Can't wait. Just need to get the front PPF'd, Ghost immobiliser and daschcam's sorted.

Reading this thread with interest

[JonChalk]

T1berious said:

Just need to get the front PPF'd, ...

Mine goes in for front PPF week after next.

It's already picked up one little chip in the bonnet , plus only saw it in the sun a few days ago, and even before I washed it, it's got swirls, also

[SWoll]

anonymous said:

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A better example would probably be a Model Y Performance/BMW i4 M50 for roughly the same price. Be interesting to see how it goes for them at £60k, that's a lot of money for a South Korean product in many peoples minds I'm sure.

[ZesPak]

SWoll said:

Be interesting to see how it goes for them at £60k, that's a lot of money for a South Korean product in many peoples minds I'm sure.

That sounds like a very UK thing to me. In the Benelux I've never heard anyone say "50k for a Kia??".

[SWoll]

ZesPak said:

SWoll said:

Be interesting to see how it goes for them at £60k, that's a lot of money for a South Korean product in many peoples minds I'm sure.

That sounds like a very UK thing to me. In the Benelux I've never heard anyone say "50k for a Kia??".

Really? In the UK they have a reputation for making relatively cheap but reliable cars with an excellent warranty. Any attempt to sell at higher prices (like the Stinger GTS for £40k) have been met with tiny sales figures in comparison to the usual suspects despite excellent reviews and keen pricing.

With the EV6 they are taking on the likes of BMW and Tesla directly (or higher) with regards to price, and whilst a few people on here have confirmed interest in the real world it will be interesting to see just how well they sell and consequently how well they hold their value.

As an example on a 3 year/30k personal lease here is how the costs compare

EV6 GT LineS - £52k - 3 year cost £29k
Model Y LR - £56k - 3 year cost £24k
i4 40 M-Sport - £54k - 3 year cost £27k

This will filter down into company car and salary sacrifice pricing, hence my comment.

anonymous said:

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Well, as 2 owner 2020 registered Taycan's with 16k miles on them are still fetching their original optioned list price I don't see that happening in a hurry. Mental..

Edited by SWoll on Saturday 15th January 22:10

[JonChalk]

anonymous said:

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I specced up an i4 to match (as closely as possible) my GT Line S and it came out something like £64k, plus as doc.martin says, it would still look like an i4...

[ZesPak]

JonChalk said:

I specced up an i4 to match (as closely as possible) my GT Line S and it came out something like £64k, plus as doc.martin says, it would still look like an i4...

SWoll makes a good point though that sticker price doesn't mean a lot. Most important are lease costs.

[hyphen]

Nothing to add except Ioniq 5 seem to be selling OK as seen first two in the last week.

Good looking car, with those headlights and general styling. Bet the German brands wish they had designed it as could slap an Audi or other badge on front and back easily enough

Edited by hyphen on Sunday 16th January 09:34

[NerveAgent]

There are a few Ioniq 5s local to me, they really stand out. I’ve not seen an EV6 yet.

[JonChalk]

ZesPak said:

JonChalk said:

I specced up an i4 to match (as closely as possible) my GT Line S and it came out something like £64k, plus as doc.martin says, it would still look like an i4...

SWoll makes a good point though that sticker price doesn't mean a lot. Most important are lease costs.

Not to me - bought mine

[Jasper3.0]

After 4 months ownership. Our I5 is broken. The actuator that controls the charge flap is broken and it has been draining the 12V battery. Started on 31/12, Hyundai unable to look at it for a week or so. Now waiting for parts. Due next week.

I must say Hyundai CS have been truly appalling. Worst experience in 30 years of car ownership. We are even having to pay for our own hire car as they are unable (via Thrifty) to provide anything larger than a fiesta or better than a white transit van.

There is one chap I have spoken to, who’s car has been waiting for parts since November.

It’s a really good car let down by atrocious customer service and poor part availability.