Bjorn Nyland - Tesla Bjorn's 1000km EV challenge
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SWoll said:
JonnyVTEC said:
Evanivitch said:
It’s not 800V …
Obviously the usual suspects have arrived for some reason to turn an EV positive thread, into an anti-Tesla thread.
But that aside, I think it shows how genuinely normal long distance travel can be with an EV, anything over a 60mph average is very decent pace. Certainly when I have done 600 mile plus journeys even when feeling like you are pushing on they end up around that pace.
The fact that there are still further gains to be had, without any further technical advances, just more roll-out of infrastructure bodes very well - you would have to think that it could be done in 9hrs this time next year say.
But that aside, I think it shows how genuinely normal long distance travel can be with an EV, anything over a 60mph average is very decent pace. Certainly when I have done 600 mile plus journeys even when feeling like you are pushing on they end up around that pace.
The fact that there are still further gains to be had, without any further technical advances, just more roll-out of infrastructure bodes very well - you would have to think that it could be done in 9hrs this time next year say.
Edited by JD on Monday 19th July 11:20
Evanivitch said:
I appreciate there's plenty of EV drivers that talk about doing 5miles/kWh at 56mph, but Bjorn is doing the speed limit in both cases. So the idea he should do more "sensible" speeds is quite hilarious 
Why? Do you never drive above the limit on long motorway trips?The point I am making is that on longer, faster drives the difference is greater than in this test; are you claiming that that's not the case?
Northernboy said:
Evanivitch said:
I appreciate there's plenty of EV drivers that talk about doing 5miles/kWh at 56mph, but Bjorn is doing the speed limit in both cases. So the idea he should do more "sensible" speeds is quite hilarious
Why? Do you never drive above the limit on long motorway trips?The point I am making is that on longer, faster drives the difference is greater than in this test; are you claiming that that's not the case?
Whether I speed or not is irrelevant, I wouldn't expect someone to be video recording and publishing data that proves there were exceeding the speed limit again and again.
Northernboy said:
Evanivitch said:
I appreciate there's plenty of EV drivers that talk about doing 5miles/kWh at 56mph, but Bjorn is doing the speed limit in both cases. So the idea he should do more "sensible" speeds is quite hilarious
Why? Do you never drive above the limit on long motorway trips?The point I am making is that on longer, faster drives the difference is greater than in this test; are you claiming that that's not the case?
The difference between 70 and 90 mph is considerable as below, you're looking at almost double the power consumption and a drop in range for the example Model S from around 170 miles to around 100.
Edited by SWoll on Monday 19th July 11:45
SWoll said:
It's a balancing act though isn't it? Higher speeds require more charging which can end up actually extending overall travel time dependent on the vehicle and available charge speeds.
The difference between 70 and 90 mph is considerable as below, you're looking at almost double the power consumption and a drop in range for the example Model S from around 170 miles to around 100.
Yes, which was my point. The compromise Ivgad to make in my Model S didn’t work for me. The car didn’t suit my needs either for a town car or as a car for the long journeys I regularly do.The difference between 70 and 90 mph is considerable as below, you're looking at almost double the power consumption and a drop in range for the example Model S from around 170 miles to around 100.
Edited by SWoll on Monday 19th July 11:45
dmsims said:
Why did you buy/rent it then ?
Because I didn’t know it wouldn’t be up to the job when I bought it.I test drove one at Canary Wharf to see what they were like, thought it was nice, and then after a “bottomless brunch” at Roka a couple of weeks later decided to wander back into the shopping center and buy one.
I thought it was worth a try, and I was wrong.
Evanivitch said:
Whether I speed or not is irrelevant, I wouldn't expect someone to be video recording and publishing data that proves there were exceeding the speed limit again and again.
ExactlyThere is no way the average speeds on this test are reached by staying at the speed limit, Google tells me the limit in Norway is 110 (68mph)
I just looked at the video and note they don't disclose the time driving Vs. time charging, I suspect for that very reason.
I've done several long jaunts through France, often exceeding the 82mph limit and ended up at my destination with a (moving) average speed of 70-75mph, with stopping time this comes out about 60-65mph.
JD said:
There is no way the average speeds on this test are reached by staying at the speed limit, Google tells me the limit in Norway is 110 (68mph)
Bjorn regularly does 120 kph and films it. In fact his standard test is to measure consumption at 120 and 90 kph. His reasoning is that everyone speeds in Norway and observing other traffic in Norway that seems to be right. I guess the police don't care, or maybe they are like the British ones where they allow a 10% margin before bothering.aestetix1 said:
Ah so if you break the law and don't get caught, it's faster...
What are you talking about? The chances of getting "caught" 9mph over the limit are small, but are the same for both cars. You didn't think that I meant that I was comparing driving teh two cars at two different speeds, did you?JD said:
Obviously the usual suspects have arrived for some reason to turn an EV positive thread, into an anti-Tesla thread.
But that aside, I think it shows how genuinely normal long distance travel can be with an EV, anything over a 60mph average is very decent pace. Certainly when I have done 600 mile plus journeys even when feeling like you are pushing on they end up around that pace.
The fact that there are still further gains to be had, without any further technical advances, just more roll-out of infrastructure bodes very well - you would have to think that it could be done in 9hrs this time next year say.
I think its also fair to point out that Bjorn is waiting for delivery of about half a million pounds worth of roadster from Tesla and has been looked after very well, and when he puts a chart out that has Tesla at the top thanks to weather conditions it worth pointing these things out.But that aside, I think it shows how genuinely normal long distance travel can be with an EV, anything over a 60mph average is very decent pace. Certainly when I have done 600 mile plus journeys even when feeling like you are pushing on they end up around that pace.
The fact that there are still further gains to be had, without any further technical advances, just more roll-out of infrastructure bodes very well - you would have to think that it could be done in 9hrs this time next year say.
Edited by JD on Monday 19th July 11:20
As for "only 20 mins" - thats ok if your destination has somewhere to charge,.
Maybe I'm just being a little irritated today having sat at Hilton Park supercharger in 30 degs of heat with a M3 LR sitting on 12% SOC and pulling the heady amount of 34kw - this is a new supercharger site but only V2 and I had a pair all to myself. If Bjorn had by chance stopped at that site he could add an hour+ to the timings.
Heres Johnny said:
As for "only 20 mins" - thats ok if your destination has somewhere to charge
This was one of the biggest issues for me. The tests and claims tend to have you starting with a full charge and arriving nearly empty, and this just doesn’t work for all sorts of trips and uses.On our big trip to France we could only use 13A charging where we were staying or I had to drive five miles down the road to the local “fast” charger and spend an hour adding fifty miles of range for the next day.
My Amsterdam home has proper chargers on the street, so I don’t mind arriving there as the range is in single figures, but in most other places you should plan for a charge within 50 miles of your destination if you want to use the car the following day.
Evanivitch said:
He's a YouTuber, in Norway. The infrastructure there is world leading, but unfortunately the weather is very seasonal.
But strangely everyone seems to be ignoring that the "best" EV was capable of only taking 20 minutes more to complete a 620 mile journey in similar conditions.
Alternatively 4% uplift against infrastructure that has a 100yr start....But strangely everyone seems to be ignoring that the "best" EV was capable of only taking 20 minutes more to complete a 620 mile journey in similar conditions.
The infrastructure will arrive fast, IMO. Charging will get quicker. In 10yrs' time I susoect we'll be looking back and asking what all the fuss was about.
Heres Johnny said:
I think its also fair to point out that Bjorn is waiting for delivery of about half a million pounds worth of roadster from Tesla and has been looked after very well, and when he puts a chart out that has Tesla at the top thanks to weather conditions it worth pointing these things out.
As for "only 20 mins" - thats ok if your destination has somewhere to charge,.
Maybe I'm just being a little irritated today having sat at Hilton Park supercharger in 30 degs of heat with a M3 LR sitting on 12% SOC and pulling the heady amount of 34kw - this is a new supercharger site but only V2 and I had a pair all to myself. If Bjorn had by chance stopped at that site he could add an hour+ to the timings.
You just can’t help yourself can you?As for "only 20 mins" - thats ok if your destination has somewhere to charge,.
Maybe I'm just being a little irritated today having sat at Hilton Park supercharger in 30 degs of heat with a M3 LR sitting on 12% SOC and pulling the heady amount of 34kw - this is a new supercharger site but only V2 and I had a pair all to myself. If Bjorn had by chance stopped at that site he could add an hour+ to the timings.
There is a whole echo chamber thread for hating Tesla you know, why not go post in that one.
JD said:
You just can’t help yourself can you?
There is a whole echo chamber thread for hating Tesla you know, why not go post in that one.
You seem to want people to only post positove experiences, why don't you want people posting about how they are getting on with ther cars here?There is a whole echo chamber thread for hating Tesla you know, why not go post in that one.
Your Garage on here doesn't list a Tesla, is there a reason you are so invested in stopping people's negative experiences about them being made public? You are criticising people who've actually bought them, with actual money, and are sharing with others how the ownership experience is.
JD said:
You just can’t help yourself can you?
What did I say that was incorrect? Or do you prefer to stay ignorant of the bigger picture and just look for confirmation bias?I am from far a Tesla hater as you seem to be accusing me of being. I've had 2 referals over the weekend from people who were happy to buy because of factual information I gave them. I've had a Tesla since 2015. I just can't stand people who pop up, think they know everything about the make and haven't really got a clue but try and convince everybody.
Heres Johnny said:
Maybe I'm just being a little irritated today having sat at Hilton Park supercharger in 30 degs of heat with a M3 LR sitting on 12% SOC and pulling the heady amount of 34kw - this is a new supercharger site but only V2 and I had a pair all to myself. If Bjorn had by chance stopped at that site he could add an hour+ to the timings.
Out of interest, was the battery preconditioned?Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff