Bjorn Nyland - Tesla Bjorn's 1000km EV challenge

[JD]

My remarks were about the table, and how it shows things are good, and already with the existing technology overall pace of EV is comparable to an ICE.

I made no suggestion to say Tesla was the best, the fact it’s the top of the table means not a jot to me. Anyone of sound mind can see there is no real difference in the top two times.

Yet the anti-Tesla brigade just roll in, and makes the thread all about Tesla. It’s literally just as bad as blind fanboyism and it’s so so boring.

Always the same people, always the same comments.

[Evanivitch]

Murph7355 said:

Alternatively 4% uplift against infrastructure that has a 100yr start....

The infrastructure will arrive fast, IMO. Charging will get quicker. In 10yrs' time I susoect we'll be looking back and asking what all the fuss was about.

The infrastructure is getting better, more chargers (more locations and larger hubs) and higher power (100kW+). As long as it continues to be ahead of the demand then everything is rosy.

[Heres Johnny]

JD said:

My remarks were about the table, and how it shows things are good, and already with the existing technology overall pace of EV is comparable to an ICE.

I made no suggestion to say Tesla was the best, the fact it’s the top of the table means not a jot to me. Anyone of sound mind can see there is no real difference in the top two times.

Yet the anti-Tesla brigade just roll in, and makes the thread all about Tesla. It’s literally just as bad as blind fanboyism and it’s so so boring.

Always the same people, always the same comments.

You've just confirmed the view that you're looking at a table you don't understand, you seem unable to appreciate the effect of weather, the realisation that this is full to empty test with a splash and dash en-route, that stopping several times to use the highest rate under the charge curve is better as some of these cars have a charge rate that drops off rapidly once above 50%, that he's done the tests in a country with a very high density of high output public chargers than we have in the UK, and as this is a largely UK centric platform, anyone buying an EV based on 20 mins to charging to cover 1000km will be sadly disappointed when the reality is anything but.

If you're looking at it as a scientific comparitor then it fails on weather and other variables. If you look at it as a real world scenario then it fails on that too.

Watch the Richard Symonds video of him driving a couple of EVs from Scotland to Bournmouth and you'll get a better idea of a 1000km trip in the UK and I can assure you its more than the times quited on that chart. So my issue with it is its misleading and I don't want a single person to buy an EV and regret it because they were mislead, and by being honest, I've found many many people have been willing to buy, but their choice may have been different to what it was before (ie getting a LR when they were looking at a SR+ tesla - and thats not anti tesla)

You fit heat pumps by the looks, do you ever give advice to people to ignore the publicity figures and give them something more realistic "real world"? I'd hope you'd do the latter

[Evanivitch]

Heres Johnny said:

Watch the Richard Symonds video of him driving a couple of EVs from Scotland to Bournmouth and you'll get a better idea of a 1000km trip in the UK and I can assure you its more than the times quited on that chart.

Do you have a link? I'm not at all surprised if it's based on using Electric Highway 50kW chargers.

[Heres Johnny]

JD said:

Yet the anti-Tesla brigade just roll in, and makes the thread all about Tesla. It’s literally just as bad as blind fanboyism and it’s so so boring.

And here’s my recent list of Tesla referrals to correct your view this is anti Tesla or anti ev, it’s anti false impressions

[Heres Johnny]

Evanivitch said:

Do you have a link? I'm not at all surprised if it's based on using Electric Highway 50kW chargers.

This was the one I was thinking of

In many respects he’s as bad as Bjorn and makes the odd mistake but it’s worth a look

https://youtu.be/0dipTAQsBgk

[Evanivitch]

Heres Johnny said:

This was the one I was thinking of

In many respects he’s as bad as Bjorn and makes the odd mistake but it’s worth a look

https://youtu.be/0dipTAQsBgk

Watched a bit and it's interesting to see them stretch it, but can't help feel they fell into some basic pitfalls. For example merging a max range run with a "fastest charging solution" is a poor mix, and obviously the Tesla nab didn't agree with preconditioning if that meant running out of charge short of the target charger, that's a good thing, not a bad thing!

In which case the best thing would have been to let the Tesla do it's own thing and try and manage the ID4 as well as possible.

[Heres Johnny]

Evanivitch said:

Heres Johnny said:

This was the one I was thinking of

In many respects he’s as bad as Bjorn and makes the odd mistake but it’s worth a look

https://youtu.be/0dipTAQsBgk

Watched a bit and it's interesting to see them stretch it, but can't help feel they fell into some basic pitfalls. For example merging a max range run with a "fastest charging solution" is a poor mix, and obviously the Tesla nab didn't agree with preconditioning if that meant running out of charge short of the target charger, that's a good thing, not a bad thing!

In which case the best thing would have been to let the Tesla do it's own thing and try and manage the ID4 as well as possible.

Yes, I agree, hence my earlier comment that in some ways he makes a few mistakes.

What I found interesting was how realtively easy it was to drive the VW from top to bottom of the country. If you accept EV's take a bit of planning on when and where to charge, and that it takes time when you do, then there isn't a reason why you can't travel to most places especially in the newer 100kw+ charging cars. The supercharger network gives more options, but its not the only option anymore.

[RobbyJ]

Evanivitch said:

Out of interest, was the battery preconditioned?

I had this a couple of weeks ago at Oxford, swapped to another pair and straight up over 100kw. Well worth swapping if you get those speeds, even if you're second onto another pair.