En-Route Charging Costs
Discussion
Not charged it many times on the public highway but 50kw @30p is average-to-high. If i charged my ID.3 from 0-100% which would use 58kw it would cost me £17.40 for 280 mile range in just over an hour.
But it's a pointless discussion and example.
And i stopped watching the Guy Martin stuff after the "great escape" and daft tractor episode - urgh
But it's a pointless discussion and example.
And i stopped watching the Guy Martin stuff after the "great escape" and daft tractor episode - urgh
Edited by TheDrownedApe on Tuesday 10th August 11:10
On a journey charger you would normally add a maximum charge of 10% to 80% so in my 64kWh Kona that would be 44.8kWh or ~200 miles of range in about 40 minutes on most chargers.
On Gridserve @ 30p/kWh it would be £13.44
On Instavolt @ 40p/kWh = £17.92
On Ionity as max price (i.e. not a member) 70p/kWh = £31.36
For reference diesel is about £6.12 a gallon
On Gridserve @ 30p/kWh it would be £13.44
On Instavolt @ 40p/kWh = £17.92
On Ionity as max price (i.e. not a member) 70p/kWh = £31.36
For reference diesel is about £6.12 a gallon
Edited by gmaz on Tuesday 10th August 12:23
The thing about Ionity is that it's a network funded by VAG, Mercedes, Kia/Hyundai, BMW and Ford and the idea is that customers for their cars get preferential rates. Some of the charging cards get a bit of discount too (Octopus Juice gets 5% discount).
An Ioniq 5 should get from 6 to 80% in 20 minutes on an Ionity charger, and people that buy them get a couple of years at 25p/kWh - after that if you use them regularly it's a monthly fee to get that rate. Similar either in place ro coming soon across the other manufacturers.
Generally you start with a car that's full of cheap home electricity, and this sort of rapid charging is for topping up on a long journey. So you'd already be 200 miles+ down the road before you fill up for another 200. Unlike diesel though you get a choice of speeds and prices - Ionity is great if your car can take it and you're in a hurry but you'll pay less than half to go a bit slower, and even less still if you can charge more slowly while the car is parked for a few hours and you're off doing something else.
An Ioniq 5 should get from 6 to 80% in 20 minutes on an Ionity charger, and people that buy them get a couple of years at 25p/kWh - after that if you use them regularly it's a monthly fee to get that rate. Similar either in place ro coming soon across the other manufacturers.
Generally you start with a car that's full of cheap home electricity, and this sort of rapid charging is for topping up on a long journey. So you'd already be 200 miles+ down the road before you fill up for another 200. Unlike diesel though you get a choice of speeds and prices - Ionity is great if your car can take it and you're in a hurry but you'll pay less than half to go a bit slower, and even less still if you can charge more slowly while the car is parked for a few hours and you're off doing something else.
RizzoTheRat said:
So about £27 for 200 miles at 45 mpg. I'm amazed that the non member Ionity price would cost more per mile than a diesel car!
Yeah Ionity is a ripoff.If comparing with diesel, you must also consider that most EVs drivers can start their journey with "a full tank", charged at home at 5p/kWh so £3.20 for a complete refill on a 64kWh Kona..
In general, no.
But it's not impossible in a perfect storm scenario.
Firstly, supercharger is a term used for the Tesla network. It's impossible to get to GBP 40 there, as emptying the biggest EV battery to date (100kWh in Model S and X) and "filling it up" would cost you about GBP 25. Filling up that same car at ionity would cost more than the GBP 40 the article suggest though.
The other side is charging time.
Depending on the curve, charging a battery 10-80% will take about the same time as 80-100%.
So when traveling distances, you keep it on top of that charge curve.
In short, yes, it's possible to pay 40 quid and charge for an hour, but you'd really have to want to do that.
But it's not impossible in a perfect storm scenario.
Firstly, supercharger is a term used for the Tesla network. It's impossible to get to GBP 40 there, as emptying the biggest EV battery to date (100kWh in Model S and X) and "filling it up" would cost you about GBP 25. Filling up that same car at ionity would cost more than the GBP 40 the article suggest though.
The other side is charging time.
Depending on the curve, charging a battery 10-80% will take about the same time as 80-100%.
So when traveling distances, you keep it on top of that charge curve.
In short, yes, it's possible to pay 40 quid and charge for an hour, but you'd really have to want to do that.
Edited by ZesPak on Tuesday 10th August 12:49
Brexit seems to have stalled investment in the UK by Ionity, probably waiting to see what happens and what EV sales are like here before throwing money at a failed stated. Right now people are probably more worried about empty supermarket shelves than where to charge.
Anyway, the Electric Highway is being upgraded and they have chargers at every motorway service area already. Reliability has been less than stellar in the past but is improving rapidly now.
As for cost, if you are a road warrior then yes Ionity is a rip-off and should be avoided unless you have a big discount. But for most people who only need to do en-route charging occasionally it's more a question of convenience vs. cost.
Anyway, the Electric Highway is being upgraded and they have chargers at every motorway service area already. Reliability has been less than stellar in the past but is improving rapidly now.
As for cost, if you are a road warrior then yes Ionity is a rip-off and should be avoided unless you have a big discount. But for most people who only need to do en-route charging occasionally it's more a question of convenience vs. cost.
DSLiverpool said:
9 on the mainland, 4 in Ireland - ducking loads in France !! What’s the score?
15 now vs 80 in France, but they have about 3.5x the motorway we do. I think the combination of our big commercial motorway service areas (vs loads of smaller aires on the autoroute), plus the Ecotricity exclusivity contracts made it pretty difficult to get going.
The early ones like Maidstone and Gretna Green are sited at the petrol station far away from the main services (and existing Ecotricity), and MK isn't in a service area at all.
ConnectionError said:
page3 said:
No.
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Some of the other replies suggest it can cost this much
I stopped at Cobham Services yesterday about 7pm/ Car park was rammed, but the EV chargers were pretty empty.
Cobham Services have both Ionity (at 69p per kw) and also Gridserve at 30p. There were three Gridserve devices (each with two connectors), one was out of service, and there was one car on another.
Simple plug in, wave your credit card at it and in 30 mins I had added about 120 miles to my i3s at a cost of just under £7. The same power using Ionity would be over twice that.
Ionity’s walk up rate is punitively expensive to discourage use by non-members. Subscribers with cars from partner brands can charge at as little as 25p/kWh.
Hyundai are one of those partner brands, so to show that as being the true cost of charging an IONIQ 5 is disingenuous at best. Usual BS.
Hyundai are one of those partner brands, so to show that as being the true cost of charging an IONIQ 5 is disingenuous at best. Usual BS.
Edited by Toaster Pilot on Wednesday 11th August 14:43
Don't you have to pay a monthly fee in order to get the lower rates, though? Having discounted Ionity is not a selling point for me so I have never seriously looked into as I pick cars based on what they are as cars but of course handy that Ionity exists if the need is there. I'm dubious if their model will work with so many other alternatives but that's their problem. I think they're mainly handy for a trip abroad as there is no issue with accounts so you know it will work no matter what.
sjg said:
The thing about Ionity is that it's a network funded by VAG, Mercedes, Kia/Hyundai, BMW and Ford and the idea is that customers for their cars get preferential rates. Some of the charging cards get a bit of discount too (Octopus Juice gets 5% discount).
The thing about ionity is a lot of its funding members still want EVs to go away or at least be delayed as long as possible, they are still funding large amounts of negative PR whilst making very low volume greenwashing EVs, having a huge none member price allows them to use this horrific charging price in their PR Dave Hedgehog said:
The thing about ionity is a lot of its funding members still want EVs to go away or at least be delayed as long as possible, they are still funding large amounts of negative PR whilst making very low volume greenwashing EVs, having a huge none member price allows them to use this horrific charging price in their PR
Fuel for the fire.
The German (and other) auto industry still has billions in investments in ICE (esp diesel) that they don't want to write off in <10 years.
Ionity is far from a must to use when traveling with an EV, but in almost every publication I see it is used as the way to show you how expensive it is to charge an EV.
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