Discussion
Oilchange said:
I am in relative awe but not entirely surprised at how computers and electric motors are catapulting cars up the road these days.
Or at least I was until my drive back from the supermarket behind an electric thing that was adamantly not going above 40 on a fast sweeping A4. It appears they’re either bullet fast or stubbornly intent on whirring along like a milkfloat…
The problem is that most EV's are bought for and driven in an economical mind setOr at least I was until my drive back from the supermarket behind an electric thing that was adamantly not going above 40 on a fast sweeping A4. It appears they’re either bullet fast or stubbornly intent on whirring along like a milkfloat…
Even the super fast EV's most people are too scared to floor them because they aren't used to fast cars, they can be very fast indeed, and also, it absolutely hammers the range.
I tried a friends Tesla a while ago (I think it was an P85 Model S, not sure) and it was very pokey but it didn't make me "want" to drive it in an aggressive way, I bought a 530E instead. I prefer how it drives, although it is much slower.
CarCrazyDad said:
Even the super fast EV's most people are too scared to floor them because they aren't used to fast cars, they can be very fast indeed, and also, it absolutely hammers the range.
That's some sweeping statements to say the least.Almost every Tesla driver I know floors it from the lights at every opportunity. Range is not an issue if you start from full every morning.
Contrary, I know most people have a more frugal and slower car (like a 530d) because anything faster would cost them a fortune to run every day.
Aren't you one of those "Tesla Fans"???
Maybe your circle of friends are different?
I could say that everyone I know likes to overclock their computers or has an interest in Technology, because all of my friends are IT Professionals (well, nearly, it's that or Chess) but there are a huge percentage of the population who simply use their Laptops...
I see many Teslas driving very slowly locally. I certainly don't see them launching it every single time......
My friend who had the Tesla certainly drove it in a very "normal" way. He isn't into cars as such and had never even launched it properly (It took us a few minutes to find the option for whatever they called it in the Menu).
For your average car owner who has a car which does 0-60 in 8 seconds and needs it to be revved out, you are telling me you don't see how your average 2.0 TDI driver who goes from a 150HP Golf to a 450hp Tesla with INSTANT maximum power could not be perhaps a bit intimidated?
Maybe your circle of friends are different?
I could say that everyone I know likes to overclock their computers or has an interest in Technology, because all of my friends are IT Professionals (well, nearly, it's that or Chess) but there are a huge percentage of the population who simply use their Laptops...
I see many Teslas driving very slowly locally. I certainly don't see them launching it every single time......
My friend who had the Tesla certainly drove it in a very "normal" way. He isn't into cars as such and had never even launched it properly (It took us a few minutes to find the option for whatever they called it in the Menu).
For your average car owner who has a car which does 0-60 in 8 seconds and needs it to be revved out, you are telling me you don't see how your average 2.0 TDI driver who goes from a 150HP Golf to a 450hp Tesla with INSTANT maximum power could not be perhaps a bit intimidated?
CarCrazyDad said:
Aren't you one of those "Tesla Fans"???
Yes, I've driven one and measured it against a 4 cyl diesel.CarCrazyDad said:
I see many Teslas driving very slowly locally. I certainly don't see them launching it every single time......
My friend who had the Tesla certainly drove it in a very "normal" way. He isn't into cars as such and had never even launched it properly (It took us a few minutes to find the option for whatever they called it in the Menu).
For your average car owner who has a car which does 0-60 in 8 seconds and needs it to be revved out, you are telling me you don't see how your average 2.0 TDI driver who goes from a 150HP Golf to a 450hp Tesla with INSTANT maximum power could not be perhaps a bit intimidated?
None of the people I know came from a TDI Golf to a Tesla. All of them had 200hp+ German reps.My friend who had the Tesla certainly drove it in a very "normal" way. He isn't into cars as such and had never even launched it properly (It took us a few minutes to find the option for whatever they called it in the Menu).
For your average car owner who has a car which does 0-60 in 8 seconds and needs it to be revved out, you are telling me you don't see how your average 2.0 TDI driver who goes from a 150HP Golf to a 450hp Tesla with INSTANT maximum power could not be perhaps a bit intimidated?
Yes, a sub 4 seconds 0-60 is incredible, but in an EV it's not that intimidating. There's just relentless pull and grip. Saying its intimidating makes me wonder if you've actually ever been in one.
Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 18th August 22:14
. Oilchange said:
For some reason I thought that was they got to 60 in the first foot.
So they did use the one foot rollout then. Cheats.
The funny thing is that a one foot rollout makes some sense with a manual, because balancing the clutch slip to get max drive from standstill is both hard on the drive line and difficult to do consistently*.So they did use the one foot rollout then. Cheats.
With an auto you don't have those problems, just plant the foot and go.
With an EV it's even less relevant, because you get max torque (not Max_Torque
) from zero revs anyway.But the one foot rollout gives better numbers, so they all use it in the US.
* The few times I've done a flat-out standing start in my silly car, I was slipping the clutch for a lot more than one foot, to stay in the power band.
AW111 said:
Oilchange said:
For some reason I thought that was they got to 60 in the first foot.
So they did use the one foot rollout then. Cheats.
The funny thing is that a one foot rollout makes some sense with a manual, because balancing the clutch slip to get max drive from standstill is both hard on the drive line and difficult to do consistently*.So they did use the one foot rollout then. Cheats.
With an auto you don't have those problems, just plant the foot and go.
With an EV it's even less relevant, because you get max torque (not Max_Torque
) from zero revs anyway.But the one foot rollout gives better numbers, so they all use it in the US.
* The few times I've done a flat-out standing start in my silly car, I was slipping the clutch for a lot more than one foot, to stay in the power band.
Oilchange said:
They really should just do away with it in my opinion. Cause for controversy and ultimately you can link up some other device to get the timer going the instant it moves for a proper 0-60.
While we're at it we should do away with 0-60mph and quote only 0-62mph as it is cause for confusion with European brands that only do 0-100km/h.ZesPak said:
Oilchange said:
They really should just do away with it in my opinion. Cause for controversy and ultimately you can link up some other device to get the timer going the instant it moves for a proper 0-60.
While we're at it we should do away with 0-60mph and quote only 0-62mph as it is cause for confusion with European brands that only do 0-100km/h.
If the times are set on a US drag strip they should state whether an uphill or downhill track as well.
Edited by Basil Brush on Thursday 19th August 15:48
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