ID-3: is it just me?
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I have a Golf TSI and I like it. When I saw that VW had their own proper EV, the ID-3, which has a reasonable range. I was intrigued so I took myself off to the local dealer all psyched up to putting down a deposit. But OMG when I saw it, it’s utterly gopping! Why on earth would VW discontinue an iconic Car, like the Golf and replace it with such an awful, bland, unambitious lowly piece of unprepossessing design.
The lines remind me of a stamped on people carrier, the interior is the sort of ‘futuristic’ design you might get out of a first year design student and the drivers instruments and steering are just nasty. The one I looked at had a white steering wheel for Gods sake. Who does that? It will be filthy in days.
I have no doubt that it is the result of in depth customer surveys and will sell in the tens of thousands, but f
k me it’s awful.
I don’t like it.
The lines remind me of a stamped on people carrier, the interior is the sort of ‘futuristic’ design you might get out of a first year design student and the drivers instruments and steering are just nasty. The one I looked at had a white steering wheel for Gods sake. Who does that? It will be filthy in days.
I have no doubt that it is the result of in depth customer surveys and will sell in the tens of thousands, but f
k me it’s awful.I don’t like it.
Edited by Astacus on Sunday 3rd October 22:42
I have one and I can't agree more. It's so dull. Drives it too, although every vw I've driven lately does. Does what it needs to and nothing more. My girlfriend loves it because it's so competent but it's very, very white goods.
It was supposed to be the 3rd iconic VW after the beetle and the golf but it's just not.
It was supposed to be the 3rd iconic VW after the beetle and the golf but it's just not.
inabox said:
It was supposed to be the 3rd iconic VW after the beetle and the golf but it's just not.
Thus the ID.3 moniker but that doesnt explain the ID.4 or ID.6 etc.I've not had a chance to actually see or drive an ID yet (and wont for a while) but that id3 white plastic interior looks like garbage on photos.
The seat and audi versions , even skoda look much better. Tho the mk8 golf isnt heaps better ether?
ID3 isn't replacing the Golf yet, the Golf 8 is still pretty new.
As for the ID3's looks, I prefer the Cupra Born which will be the same thing as the ID3 underneath.
inabox said:
It was supposed to be the 3rd iconic VW after the beetle and the golf but it's just not.
Then they launched the ID4 and announced the ID5, and the new ID Life concept that's Polo size will probably be an ID2. Which makes me think the whole '3rd iconic VW' thing they came out with for the ID3 is a load of cobblers.As for the ID3's looks, I prefer the Cupra Born which will be the same thing as the ID3 underneath.
Astacus said:
Why on earth would VW discontinue an iconic Car, like the Golf and replace it with such an awful, bland, unambitious lowly piece of unprepossessing design.
Yeah, I had that thought when they replaced the Mk2 with the Mk3.As others have said, a Golf hasn't been an interesting in decades, it's a car for accountants by accountants.
ajap1979 said:
Astacus said:
I don’t like it.
I wasn’t getting that vibe from your post….Didn’t you look at any photos before you marched off down to your deal to slap down a deposit?
David87 said:
I don't get why they even bothered with the ID.3 - why not just make a Golf that's electric? They did that with the Mk7 Golf!
Taking advantage of the ground-up electrical platform gives a lot of packaging advantages.The floor for example is ideal for the batteries to keep the CoG low, but the cabin needs to rise.
You do away with the transmission/exhaust tunnel which offers a lot of free space there.
Wheels can be moved outward for longer wheelbase, making the vehicle larger inside without increasing outside dimensions.
And that's just the packaging part.
So they could have made it look more like a Golf, but would still need a new platform to be competitive.
Tbh, I saw a grey and black ID 3 the o ther day and thought it looked quite smart, especially in side profile, a lot better than the current Golf.
But that's just a preference of course.
ZesPak said:
Tbh, I saw a grey and black ID 3 the other day and thought it looked quite smart, especially in side profile, a lot better than the current Golf.
But that's just a preference of course.
Indeed, I also think it looks a lot better than the MK8 Golf. The sparse interior is obviously a matter of taste, they've gone down the Tesla route of taking minimalism a step too far for some, and I'd go along with the general consensus that the white dash option is awful. It is very trim and colour sensitive though, a Tour model in Manganese Grey looks very nice to my eyes, a base model in primer not so good.But that's just a preference of course.
What surprises me more is how people act surprised that it is dull. That's the VW MO, smart but fairly forgettable. They very rarely do anything particularly exciting.
I've had a mk3, mk4, mk6 and mk7 golf.
I've also then been driving an EV for the past 3 years. And was then on the market to buy so I went and test drove the ID3 and the ID4.
The UI in it is... substandard. The fact that the little display behind the wheel only displays certain info and you can't pick what goes on it when it should be software driven/defined is again not up to standard.
The regen in it is pretty poor, as is the fact you can't one-pedal drive it like some other EVs. In fact it seems all the German brands have decided this (EQC/EQA, Porsche, Audi and VW) - which for me basically ruled them out as one-pedal driving is so much easier in traffic. The Taycan is a very accomplished car, the EQC400 also a nice place to be, but they drive like old ICE cars and don't fully take advantage of what a BEV can exploit.
The space in the ID4 seemed pretty good. The speed of the ID4 GTX was frankly disappointing.
I do though, as a stop gap between my currently EV and my new EV showing up, have a monthly lease ID3, as price point wise for the space and the range it gives, it's alright. But as a car to have for years? No thanks..
I've also then been driving an EV for the past 3 years. And was then on the market to buy so I went and test drove the ID3 and the ID4.
The UI in it is... substandard. The fact that the little display behind the wheel only displays certain info and you can't pick what goes on it when it should be software driven/defined is again not up to standard.
The regen in it is pretty poor, as is the fact you can't one-pedal drive it like some other EVs. In fact it seems all the German brands have decided this (EQC/EQA, Porsche, Audi and VW) - which for me basically ruled them out as one-pedal driving is so much easier in traffic. The Taycan is a very accomplished car, the EQC400 also a nice place to be, but they drive like old ICE cars and don't fully take advantage of what a BEV can exploit.
The space in the ID4 seemed pretty good. The speed of the ID4 GTX was frankly disappointing.
I do though, as a stop gap between my currently EV and my new EV showing up, have a monthly lease ID3, as price point wise for the space and the range it gives, it's alright. But as a car to have for years? No thanks..
Edited by caseys on Monday 4th October 09:33
caseys said:
I've had a mk3, mk4, mk6 and mk7 golf.
I've also then been driving an EV for the past 3 years. And was then on the market to buy so I went and test drove the ID3 and the ID4.
The UI in it is... substandard. The fact that the little display behind the wheel only displays certain info and you can't pick what goes on it when it should be software driven/defined is again not up to standard.
The regen in it is pretty poor, as is the fact you can't one-pedal drive it like some other EVs. In fact it seems all the German brands have decided this (EQC/EQA, Porsche, Audi and VW) - which for me basically ruled them out as one-pedal driving is so much easier in traffic. The Taycan is a very accomplished car, the EQC400 also a nice place to be, but they drive like old ICE cars and don't fully take advantage of what a BEV can exploit.
The space in the ID4 seemed pretty good. The speed of the ID4 GTX was frankly disappointing.
I do though, as a stop gap between my currently EV and my new EV showing up, have a monthly lease ID3, as price point wise for the space and the range it gives, it's alright. But as a car to have for years? No thanks..
You can one foot drive like all over EV's, it has two options on the stalk, D and B i think, one is the regen and one foot EV like mode the other stand auto drive...I've also then been driving an EV for the past 3 years. And was then on the market to buy so I went and test drove the ID3 and the ID4.
The UI in it is... substandard. The fact that the little display behind the wheel only displays certain info and you can't pick what goes on it when it should be software driven/defined is again not up to standard.
The regen in it is pretty poor, as is the fact you can't one-pedal drive it like some other EVs. In fact it seems all the German brands have decided this (EQC/EQA, Porsche, Audi and VW) - which for me basically ruled them out as one-pedal driving is so much easier in traffic. The Taycan is a very accomplished car, the EQC400 also a nice place to be, but they drive like old ICE cars and don't fully take advantage of what a BEV can exploit.
The space in the ID4 seemed pretty good. The speed of the ID4 GTX was frankly disappointing.
I do though, as a stop gap between my currently EV and my new EV showing up, have a monthly lease ID3, as price point wise for the space and the range it gives, it's alright. But as a car to have for years? No thanks..
Edited by caseys on Monday 4th October 09:33
Just over a year ago I was driving a Golf R. I don't now, but that was my second Golf, so clearly I have some appreciation for them.
In my eyes the ID.3 is very angle and colour sensitive when it comes to looks. And luckily you don't have to have a white interior. With the right choices I don't think it's a bad looking car, quite futuristic - where the Golf had all sorts of holes, creases, fussy bits etc... the ID.3 is quite smooth and simple.
As for electrifying a Golf, as other have said there are massive benefits from starting from a clean sheet of paper. So much so the ID.3 feels more like a Passat sized car inside, than the Golf like exterior dimensions.
As for the 3rd Pillar marketing nonsense, as pointed out what does that make the ID 4? It was just the usual marketing guff you hear at car launches.
In my eyes the ID.3 is very angle and colour sensitive when it comes to looks. And luckily you don't have to have a white interior. With the right choices I don't think it's a bad looking car, quite futuristic - where the Golf had all sorts of holes, creases, fussy bits etc... the ID.3 is quite smooth and simple.
As for electrifying a Golf, as other have said there are massive benefits from starting from a clean sheet of paper. So much so the ID.3 feels more like a Passat sized car inside, than the Golf like exterior dimensions.
As for the 3rd Pillar marketing nonsense, as pointed out what does that make the ID 4? It was just the usual marketing guff you hear at car launches.
foreverme said:
You can one foot drive like all over EV's, it has two options on the stalk, D and B i think, one is the regen and one foot EV like mode the other stand auto drive...
VW's B mode isn't really one pedal driving. It cannot and will not come to a stop if you take your foot off the pedal, even in B. Whereas drive an EV that does do it (most none VW brands) you can come to a stop without touching the brakes, hence you can complete entire journeys door to door without touching the brake. You can't do that with the ID.3.phil4 said:
VW's B mode isn't really one pedal driving. It cannot and will not come to a stop if you take your foot off the pedal, even in B. Whereas drive an EV that does do it (most none VW brands) you can come to a stop without touching the brakes, hence you can complete entire journeys door to door without touching the brake. You can't do that with the ID.3.
It will, with auto hold on - maybe RTFM
ajap1979 said:
ZesPak said:
Tbh, I saw a grey and black ID 3 the other day and thought it looked quite smart, especially in side profile, a lot better than the current Golf.
But that's just a preference of course.
Indeed, I also think it looks a lot better than the MK8 Golf. The sparse interior is obviously a matter of taste, they've gone down the Tesla route of taking minimalism a step too far for some, and I'd go along with the general consensus that the white dash option is awful. It is very trim and colour sensitive though, a Tour model in Manganese Grey looks very nice to my eyes, a base model in primer not so good.But that's just a preference of course.
What surprises me more is how people act surprised that it is dull. That's the VW MO, smart but fairly forgettable. They very rarely do anything particularly exciting.
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