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Order66 said:
My Model 3 performance will average 1% battery for every 2 miles at motorway speeds.
As a comparison my Model 3 LR averages 1% battery every 2.7 miles at (higher than UK) motorway speeds in France, based on the last 12 months (25’000km total) of weekend commuting in all weathers/temperatures, Geneva to Burgundy.
gangzoom said:
It does seem like a whole load of people that cannot stand Tesla's, cannot make EVs them for what ever reason are coming to get them anyways on the basis that they are on the company car scheme.
Surely if you hate something so much, and it doesn't work for you its far better to take the cash option and use that to run/fund a car that you enjoy?
I'm still really puzzled why the OP has ordered a Tesla when there is so much other choice around, even a cheapo used 320d am will bring the OP more joy, not to mention cash back in their pocket?
As before, it was on budget and 6 weeks to delivery.Surely if you hate something so much, and it doesn't work for you its far better to take the cash option and use that to run/fund a car that you enjoy?
I'm still really puzzled why the OP has ordered a Tesla when there is so much other choice around, even a cheapo used 320d am will bring the OP more joy, not to mention cash back in their pocket?
The better options were est may onwards. Given how it helps me juggle my finances it was time to make a decision, quickly.
I'm amazed by the negativity to the Model 3 in this thread. I absolutely love my M3P, and my car history has pretty much mostly been Porsches and M cars, so it's not like I've been driving about in bangers by comparison.
It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
ashenfie said:
I not sure purchasing a Tesla just because you can is a great decision making process and I hope it works out.
No one said it was 'just because'.Its also not a purchase, its a company lease.......
means I drop my daily, I can put extra cash into pension's(saving tax).
So it all stacks up.
Junior Bianno said:
I'm amazed by the negativity to the Model 3 in this thread. I absolutely love my M3P, and my car history has pretty much mostly been Porsches and M cars, so it's not like I've been driving about in bangers by comparison.
It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
Agreed, 4x Porsches 2x M3 (BMW) and currently a Model 3P, and I absolutely love it.It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
I took a mate to Tesla Birmingham a couple of weeks ago to collect a 3LR (i assume made in China) and the build quality was absolutely first rate, panel gaps particularly have come on in leaps and bounds, neither of us could fault it.
FeelingLucky said:
Junior Bianno said:
I'm amazed by the negativity to the Model 3 in this thread. I absolutely love my M3P, and my car history has pretty much mostly been Porsches and M cars, so it's not like I've been driving about in bangers by comparison.
It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
Agreed, 4x Porsches 2x M3 (BMW) and currently a Model 3P, and I absolutely love it.It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
I took a mate to Tesla Birmingham a couple of weeks ago to collect a 3LR (i assume made in China) and the build quality was absolutely first rate, panel gaps particularly have come on in leaps and bounds, neither of us could fault it.
FeelingLucky said:
Junior Bianno said:
I'm amazed by the negativity to the Model 3 in this thread. I absolutely love my M3P, and my car history has pretty much mostly been Porsches and M cars, so it's not like I've been driving about in bangers by comparison.
It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
Agreed, 4x Porsches 2x M3 (BMW) and currently a Model 3P, and I absolutely love it.It's just so good at what it does. Not the most fun car to fling round country roads tbf, but the straight-line speed is just comical. It's really comfortable and reliable, no petrol stations, no servicing, practically drives itself. I even like the look of it. Mine is well screwed together - haven't had any issues with the build quality (and it was one of the first ones in the country.) Really can't think of a better daily driver.
I took a mate to Tesla Birmingham a couple of weeks ago to collect a 3LR (i assume made in China) and the build quality was absolutely first rate, panel gaps particularly have come on in leaps and bounds, neither of us could fault it.
WestyCarl said:
And another, 1 month into M3 LR ownership and loving it. Previous 3 cars were various 5 Series and I cannot realistically tell the differance in quality. For most other things, driving, convieniance, infotainment, features the M3 LR is better.
That surprises me. I came from a succession of 5-Series, E-class, A6 company cars and the Model 3 is clearly in a class below from a quality/materials perspective IMHO. Don't get me wrong, it should be as it's actually a 3 series rival. The OP is definitely going to tell the difference having come from a 6-Series and high spec E-Class.
SWoll said:
That surprises me. I came from a succession of 5-Series, E-class, A6 company cars and the Model 3 is clearly in a class below from a quality/materials perspective IMHO. Don't get me wrong, it should be as it's actually a 3 series rival.
The OP is definitely going to tell the difference having come from a 6-Series and high spec E-Class.
Interested to know where it is a class below in terms of quality/materials (apart from the strip of 70's wood The OP is definitely going to tell the difference having come from a 6-Series and high spec E-Class.
), I've noticed a few lower quality (cost) items but then there are a few that are better then the 5 series.All the items where manufacturers usually cost save (door bins, center console, etc) are OK on the model 3.
WestyCarl said:
SWoll said:
That surprises me. I came from a succession of 5-Series, E-class, A6 company cars and the Model 3 is clearly in a class below from a quality/materials perspective IMHO. Don't get me wrong, it should be as it's actually a 3 series rival.
The OP is definitely going to tell the difference having come from a 6-Series and high spec E-Class.
Interested to know where it is a class below in terms of quality/materials (apart from the strip of 70's wood The OP is definitely going to tell the difference having come from a 6-Series and high spec E-Class.
), I've noticed a few lower quality (cost) items but then there are a few that are better then the 5 series.All the items where manufacturers usually cost save (door bins, center console, etc) are OK on the model 3.
Not a massive issue, but definitely noticeable to me at least. In fact the i3 we had before the Tesla also felt like a higher quality item.
Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 19th October 16:27
Order66 said:
I regularly do Glasgow-London. With the Tesla that requires around 1.5hrs charging en-route. The same journey I could do in my old diesel in a single tank, and get half way back before a 5 minute fill-up. A genuine 300 mile motorway range would leave a single tolerable 30-min charge needed to make the journey.
Even over the last year and 18k miles I've done in the Tesla the supercharger network has become increasingly congested. Last september I never had to wait for a charger - these days its commonplace to either wait, or further compromise your range to top-up at a charger that has availability. Even when you get a space, most chargers are still split-circuit, so when busy you'll be lucky to get much above 60kw rate, which turns that 40min charge into over an hour. So this means your 1.5hr of actual charge time can turn into 2hrs quite easily. The supercharger network is nowhere close to keeping up with sales volume and will become almost unusable in the near future unless a massive rollout is undertaken. At that point Tesla's USP disappears.
What used to be roughly 6hr drive is now 8hr+. I'm fine with that at present due to the cost break, but if the costs start to equalise and the charge time increases then I'm out of the EV game. I suspect I'm not alone.
What’s your actual average speed for the whole journey? I’m always surprised by people that claim they can drive at 85-90 for extended periods on UK motorways, assume they must be on the only traffic and roadwork-free sections of motorway in the country Even over the last year and 18k miles I've done in the Tesla the supercharger network has become increasingly congested. Last september I never had to wait for a charger - these days its commonplace to either wait, or further compromise your range to top-up at a charger that has availability. Even when you get a space, most chargers are still split-circuit, so when busy you'll be lucky to get much above 60kw rate, which turns that 40min charge into over an hour. So this means your 1.5hr of actual charge time can turn into 2hrs quite easily. The supercharger network is nowhere close to keeping up with sales volume and will become almost unusable in the near future unless a massive rollout is undertaken. At that point Tesla's USP disappears.
What used to be roughly 6hr drive is now 8hr+. I'm fine with that at present due to the cost break, but if the costs start to equalise and the charge time increases then I'm out of the EV game. I suspect I'm not alone.
WestyCarl said:
All the items where manufacturers usually cost save (door bins, center console, etc) are OK on the model 3.
To be fair, a lot of manufacturers are saving money on those parts. I remember back in the early 2000's VAG products did a massive push into soft touch plastics and improving the interior quality. To be fair, they needed to do that, but door bins lined with that felt stuff, grab handles with the soft close, soft touch plastics on the lower parts of the dash. Pretty nice and it did give a perception, at least, of improved quality. However, VW specifically is taking a hit for the latest Golf (and ID3/4) for cutting corners and reverting back to cheaper alternatives. I guess the argument is that we rarely touch or use these parts, but to me it seems like a step backwards. Everyone is doing it now though.
SWoll said:
Everything you touch just feels a bit cheaper and more lightweight IME. Jaguar have a similar slightly flimsy feel in the XE/XF when compared to German alternatives.
Not a massive issue, but definitely noticeable to me at least. In fact the i3 we had before the Tesla also felt like a higher quality item.
Not driven a Jag for years, so cant comment, but a little surprised. I like our i3 because it is different and the use of materials is clever (if a little weird). But quality? Not sure I would necessarily call it quality - though I dont have the high spec one. Just cloth seats and the plastic dash top model (what ever that variant is called). Its clearly long lasting, but not sure I would call it quality - which says a lot about Jaguar if you consider the i3 as better. Ouch.Not a massive issue, but definitely noticeable to me at least. In fact the i3 we had before the Tesla also felt like a higher quality item.
Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 19th October 16:27
off_again said:
To be fair, a lot of manufacturers are saving money on those parts. I remember back in the early 2000's VAG products did a massive push into soft touch plastics and improving the interior quality. To be fair, they needed to do that, but door bins lined with that felt stuff, grab handles with the soft close, soft touch plastics on the lower parts of the dash. Pretty nice and it did give a perception, at least, of improved quality. However, VW specifically is taking a hit for the latest Golf (and ID3/4) for cutting corners and reverting back to cheaper alternatives.
I guess the argument is that we rarely touch or use these parts, but to me it seems like a step backwards. Everyone is doing it now though.
Completely agree, but on my last 530e the door bins weren't lined at the bottom, just plastic meaning my drinks bottle rattled. On the Tesla M3 there is a rubber mat at the bottom of the drivers door bin to stop this. Little things like this for me rate it as higher quality. (alongside the obvious lack of rattles, etc)I guess the argument is that we rarely touch or use these parts, but to me it seems like a step backwards. Everyone is doing it now though.
Another one is Sat Nav start up time. It took the BMW maybe 20-30 Secs, not a big deal but I was moving by then. The Tesla M3 Sat is available by the time I'm sat in the drivers seat.
off_again said:
Not driven a Jag for years, so cant comment, but a little surprised. I like our i3 because it is different and the use of materials is clever (if a little weird). But quality? Not sure I would necessarily call it quality - though I dont have the high spec one. Just cloth seats and the plastic dash top model (what ever that variant is called). Its clearly long lasting, but not sure I would call it quality - which says a lot about Jaguar if you consider the i3 as better. Ouch.
Ran an XF for 160k km before the model S, don't think it was any less than a 5 series. Did find the E class somewhat better than the 5/XF/TMS,so a lot of it is probably perception.The Model S feels more luxurious in other ways though. The effortless powertrain, even the brilliant 8sp ZF gearbox can't fix a 4 pot diesel. The infotainment, as mentioned, just works well and fast (terrible in the xf) , the app connectivity is miles ahead of anything else I've seen,...
ZesPak said:
Ran an XF for 160k km before the model S, don't think it was any less than a 5 series. Did find the E class somewhat better than the 5/XF/TMS,so a lot of it is probably perception.
Yeah, perception is an easily manipulated thing. Ran a C63S for nearly 3 years and I absolutely would rate the window buttons, clunk on door close etc. Same buttons as they used in the S class and had an excellent feel to the switch and were actually metal. Nice. Perception was of high quality and much better than equivalent BMW buttons. But, man, that thing rattled. The light switch being a great example - 20-30 mins into a drive and it would start to squeak. The harsh ride probably didnt help, but while the switch was high quality, the fitting and lack of additional anti-rattle tape was poor. Damn, miss that car, but its gone to car heaven due to its next owner.....ZesPak said:
The Model S feels more luxurious in other ways though. The effortless powertrain, even the brilliant 8sp ZF gearbox can't fix a 4 pot diesel. The infotainment, as mentioned, just works well and fast (terrible in the xf) , the app connectivity is miles ahead of anything else I've seen,...
Fair comment and one that I still keep falling back to - perception of 'luxury' is very personal and minimalist interiors with sleek lines / features is, to many, luxury. Automation and simplicity is the same way. People spend fortunes on their houses to make them minimalist and sleek, why not want the same in their car - and that goes to NVH too! Driven a few diesel luxo-barges before and while nice on the move, get stuck in traffic and you cant forget that its got a rattler up front. Impressive what they all managed to do to make it quiet and smooth, but its still there.SWoll said:
That surprises me. I came from a succession of 5-Series, E-class, A6 company cars and the Model 3 is clearly in a class below from a quality/materials perspective IMHO. Don't get me wrong, it should be as it's actually a 3 series rival.
The OP is definitely going to tell the difference having come from a 6-Series and high spec E-Class.
Disagree - after years of German cars I just find them all a bit samey. The Model 3 is different. The materials and build quality are fine, but it's a clean sheet design - no vents or buttons, and pretty much everything controlled through a hi-res, very responsive, massive touch screen. It's just minimal, which I think a lot of people mistake for low quality. Also got a Range Rover Sport P400e, dripping in leather, lacquered veneer and stainless steel inlays, but I prefer the Tesla. It's just a nicer car to live with.The OP is definitely going to tell the difference having come from a 6-Series and high spec E-Class.
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