EV ordered

[jason61c]

RobDickinson said:

jason61c said:

I'm going to get a roll of duct tape and cover every logo

heat gun and fishing wire/dental floss and you are totally incognito , no one will know its a tesla...

Maybe I can find some daewoo ones off eBay?

[RobDickinson]

You'll have to paint some pretend rust on it if you do, got to sell it some

[GT911]

LukeBrown66 said:

Let's be honest here, until everyone, (not just people in the higher tax bracket or close to it) can afford a car like this, it is just a gesture and a certain way of doing things to make it beneficial to yourself or for tax reasons, as if you are leasing something you might aswell now lease something greener when you come to end of contract.

But until you get people buying second hand electric cars for less than 5 grand (a vast percentage of the market) it is still just a bit of a gesture

Which manufactures produce second hand cars ready made from the factory?

[gangzoom]

jason61c said:

A combination of discounts on lease(its a company car), delivery time(4 weeks), together with range means its the only thing that would work for me. I really dislike tesla's, I dislike the build quality. I like the range.

Sorry but none of that makes any sense, there are more EV options around than ever. No one is making you order a Tesla, buy something you actually like.....unless ofcourse this is your way of coming out of the closet .

[jason61c]

gangzoom said:

jason61c said:

A combination of discounts on lease(its a company car), delivery time(4 weeks), together with range means its the only thing that would work for me. I really dislike tesla's, I dislike the build quality. I like the range.

Sorry but none of that makes any sense, there are more EV options around than ever. No one is making you order a Tesla, buy something you actually like.....unless ofcourse this is your way of coming out of the closet .

There’s none with the price/range combo. I really want 200miles motorway speed all year round.

None that I can get in 4 weeks.

[768]

I had a test drive of a Tesla model 3 "long range" this week. I say long range, it was a performance that the salesman told me had been setup like the long range in software because they were short on stock - is that a genuine thing or am I being sold on a quicker car?

I'm assuming the 18" wheels aren't going to handle significantly worse than the 20" ones and will probably buy one with cash on the business.

The performance was effortless, it was bone dry but I had no issues getting the power down in a way I haven't been used to.

[gangzoom]

jason61c said:

There’s none with the price/range combo. I really want 200miles motorway speed all year round.

None that I can get in 4 weeks.

A Kona/Niro will do 200 miles all year round at 70mph, and be cheaper to buy, more reliable and better built.

The Long range MG5 EV will also do 200 miles at 70mph with no issues, and again for alot cheaper than any Tesla.

You have plenty of choice, the only reason anyone gets a Tesla over any other EV these days is because they want one. Its not that hard to admit you actually want a Tesla .

[gangzoom]

Here you go, brand new, ready to go, under £30k, sort of a British brand. The dealer is even offering 0% finance.

Why would you pay more for a Tesla when you can have this?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 16th October 08:13

[768]

Range, performance, supercharging network, a level of comfort in the volume of sales.

The alternatives are getting better though, it looks priced about right if those things aren't worth the cost to buyers.

[SWoll]

gangzoom said:

Here you go, brand new, ready to go, under £30k, sort of a British brand. The dealer is even offering 0% finance.

Why would you pay more for a Tesla when you can have this?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 16th October 08:13

Its a company car, no way of knowing what's on the list?

[jason61c]

gangzoom said:

jason61c said:

There’s none with the price/range combo. I really want 200miles motorway speed all year round.

None that I can get in 4 weeks.

A Kona/Niro will do 200 miles all year round at 70mph, and be cheaper to buy, more reliable and better built.

The Long range MG5 EV will also do 200 miles at 70mph with no issues, and again for alot cheaper than any Tesla.

You have plenty of choice, the only reason anyone gets a Tesla over any other EV these days is because they want one. Its not that hard to admit you actually want a Tesla .

The Niro will, wasn't on my list. The mg5 will not.

[nordboy]

So, I've been pondering an EV for a few months, personal car, not business. I currently have a BMW 540i touring on PCP but with the crazy used prices, I can punt it on an leave a few quid in my pocket for the next car.

BUT, even something like a Kona, unless I put near enough £8k deposit down, I can't get my monthlies anywhere near what I pay for my BMW. This is what's going to keep the EV market down? Why would I chop in my lovely 540 for a Kia (or other brand) EV with much lower spec etc, for more money??

And a premium EV is at least double the monthly payments.

Doesn't currently make much sense to move to an EV?

[jason61c]

nordboy said:

So, I've been pondering an EV for a few months, personal car, not business. I currently have a BMW 540i touring on PCP but with the crazy used prices, I can punt it on an leave a few quid in my pocket for the next car.

BUT, even something like a Kona, unless I put near enough £8k deposit down, I can't get my monthlies anywhere near what I pay for my BMW. This is what's going to keep the EV market down? Why would I chop in my lovely 540 for a Kia (or other brand) EV with much lower spec etc, for more money??

And a premium EV is at least double the monthly payments.

Doesn't currently make much sense to move to an EV?

I'm selling my e400d all-terrain while the market is high(10k more than I paid 10 months ago is the current best offer).

EV only really makes sense(IMO) if you can get one as a company car. They're very expensive otherwise.

[SWoll]

nordboy said:

So, I've been pondering an EV for a few months, personal car, not business. I currently have a BMW 540i touring on PCP but with the crazy used prices, I can punt it on an leave a few quid in my pocket for the next car.

BUT, even something like a Kona, unless I put near enough £8k deposit down, I can't get my monthlies anywhere near what I pay for my BMW. This is what's going to keep the EV market down? Why would I chop in my lovely 540 for a Kia (or other brand) EV with much lower spec etc, for more money??

And a premium EV is at least double the monthly payments.

Doesn't currently make much sense to move to an EV?

Will depend on fuel and maintenance costs, but agree current EV finance costs do look very high.

You must have got quite a deal on the BMW?

[nordboy]

SWoll said:

Will depend on fuel and maintenance costs, but agree current EV finance costs do look very high.

You must have got quite a deal on the BMW?

I did get a VERY good deal on my 540 to be fair.

[LukeBrown66]

My point was that most people who are buying outright are going to be in the second hand market, leasing companies want you to lease obviously it benefits them hugely.

But for a huge number the second hand market is where we will always be, and that is not yet even close to fulfilling an electric side, people will either buy cheap old cars, old diesels for economy or smaller engine cars.

So, again this only really is a rich benefit, as these things usually are. it will be interesting to see how it trickles down over the next 10 or so years into the affordable side.

[Fastlane]

gangzoom said:

A Kona/Niro will do 200 miles all year round at 70mph, and be cheaper to buy, more reliable and better built.

Our Kona will indeed at least 200 miles in winter and is indeed much cheaper. Reliability wise, I have had no issues with my Model 3 but have continue to have problems with the timed charging on the Kona, despite it having been serviced and the software updated twice now...

We love both though.

[page3]

LukeBrown66 said:

My point was that most people who are buying outright are going to be in the second hand market, leasing companies want you to lease obviously it benefits them hugely.

But for a huge number the second hand market is where we will always be, and that is not yet even close to fulfilling an electric side, people will either buy cheap old cars, old diesels for economy or smaller engine cars.

So, again this only really is a rich benefit, as these things usually are. it will be interesting to see how it trickles down over the next 10 or so years into the affordable side.

No one is manufacturing second hand cars. They need to be new in order for them to become second hand at some point in the future.

EVs are not just about saving costs. Some of us happen to think they make better cars.

[Fastlane]

nordboy said:

So, I've been pondering an EV for a few months, personal car, not business. I currently have a BMW 540i touring on PCP but with the crazy used prices, I can punt it on an leave a few quid in my pocket for the next car.

BUT, even something like a Kona, unless I put near enough £8k deposit down, I can't get my monthlies anywhere near what I pay for my BMW. This is what's going to keep the EV market down? Why would I chop in my lovely 540 for a Kia (or other brand) EV with much lower spec etc, for more money??

And a premium EV is at least double the monthly payments.

Doesn't currently make much sense to move to an EV?

I think you are trying to be rather obtuse as you are comparing a (very good) deal you got some time ago, on a car that has most probably appreciated and comparing it with a current deals on a new EV.

Not PCP, but looking at leasing.com, for 10k miles per year, 3 years, with 6 months down the figures are:

540i xDrive MHT M Sport 5dr Auto [Pro Pack] - £621 per month straight lined
Hyundai Kona Ultimate - £450 straight lined

That is a saving of over £6k over 3 years. If you then add in the fuel, maintenance and VED savings, you are probably saving another £3k on top of that.

Obviously this is not comparing apples with apples, but you mentioned the Kona...

[jason61c]

LukeBrown66 said:

My point was that most people who are buying outright are going to be in the second hand market, leasing companies want you to lease obviously it benefits them hugely.

But for a huge number the second hand market is where we will always be, and that is not yet even close to fulfilling an electric side, people will either buy cheap old cars, old diesels for economy or smaller engine cars.

So, again this only really is a rich benefit, as these things usually are. it will be interesting to see how it trickles down over the next 10 or so years into the affordable side.

In 3 years the secondhand market will be full of them, once all the company leases expire. At that point, they’ll be choice and issues will be known about.

Same as any other circa £50k car.

People buying them aren’t ‘rich’. 95% of prior I know have them to save money.