Affordable family EV

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SWoll

18,498 posts

259 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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caseys said:
Another vote here for on.to - you can also get a referral code off any of us for £50 off your first month rental.

Sell the Audi. Get a monthly lease. See what suits you. Then do an order
Likely issue is going go be availability of vehicles. As a current subscriber we had an email yesterday warning of long wait times for many models due to the chip shortage and the fact most subscribers aren't handing vehicles back after a few months once they have them.

McAndy

12,524 posts

178 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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OP: I'd be a little wary of the iPace these days. The charging infrastructure is getting better, but Jaguar haven't increased the power they can accept into the vehicle (100 kW). As is often the case in such a nascent technological industry, the seemingly recent, but ultimately earlier models are beginning to get a little left behind. (e.g. Kia EV6 - 350 kW charing capacity - ahead of the current grid, so will keep up with the fast-improving tech for longer).

Also, if going for an Enyaq make sure you get the 125 kW charging thrown in free; they have just realised their error and put it on all all new models as standard, as opposed to it being an upgrade option.

Good luck!

SWoll

18,498 posts

259 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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McAndy said:
OP: I'd be a little wary of the iPace these days. The charging infrastructure is getting better, but Jaguar haven't increased the power they can accept into the vehicle (100 kW). As is often the case in such a nascent technological industry, the seemingly recent, but ultimately earlier models are beginning to get a little left behind. (e.g. Kia EV6 - 350 kW charing capacity - ahead of the current grid, so will keep up with the fast-improving tech for longer).

Also, if going for an Enyaq make sure you get the 125 kW charging thrown in free; they have just realised their error and put it on all all new models as standard, as opposed to it being an upgrade option.

Good luck!
Worth considering I agree but really depends on your usage. Also the charge curve the car delivers rather than just headline speeds is key. The EV6 is exceptional in both for example but Tesla's are very quick at low battery before falling away considerably.

Was a consideration for us when going for the eTron 55 as despite 'only' charging at 150kW it will maintain that all the way to 80% which makes a huge difference on a long trip.


McAndy

12,524 posts

178 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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SWoll said:
Worth considering I agree but really depends on your usage. Also the charge curve the car delivers rather than just headline speeds is key. The EV6 is exceptional in both for example but Tesla's are very quick at low battery before falling away considerably.

Was a consideration for us when going for the eTron 55 as despite 'only' charging at 150kW it will maintain that all the way to 80% which makes a huge difference on a long trip.

Nice add, thanks! I shall review charge curves more carefully as I get closer to second-EV purchase in the next two years. smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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McAndy said:
OP: I'd be a little wary of the iPace these days. The charging infrastructure is getting better, but Jaguar haven't increased the power they can accept into the vehicle (100 kW). As is often the case in such a nascent technological industry, the seemingly recent, but ultimately earlier models are beginning to get a little left behind. (e.g. Kia EV6 - 350 kW charing capacity - ahead of the current grid, so will keep up with the fast-improving tech for longer).

Also, if going for an Enyaq make sure you get the 125 kW charging thrown in free; they have just realised their error and put it on all all new models as standard, as opposed to it being an upgrade option.

Good luck!
IME, once you get to a geniune 100kW of charging power (around 300 mph ) then the difference in time to charge is really neither here nor there in most cases. Probably the difference in going for a no2 vs a no1....... ;-)

McAndy

12,524 posts

178 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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Max_Torque said:
IME, once you get to a geniune 100kW of charging power (around 300 mph ) then the difference in time to charge is really neither here nor there in most cases. Probably the difference in going for a no2 vs a no1....... ;-)
Maybe they should advertise charging speeds in coffee strengths instead (multiples of espresso, perhaps) hehe

dmsims

6,554 posts

268 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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johnnyreggae said:
Out of interest have you worked out how much that rate of mileage would cost you in electricity ie are you sure the saving would be that big since the cost of electricity has gone up so much ?
About 1p per mile rolleyes

dmsims

6,554 posts

268 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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I have looked inside a Q5 and didn't think it was that big

Why the pretend SUV requirement ?

TheDeuce

21,890 posts

67 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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dmsims said:
I have looked inside a Q5 and didn't think it was that big

Why the pretend SUV requirement ?
They reckon my iPace is an SUV too. So far as I can tell it's just a hot-hatch that has been over inflated scratchchin

As for SUV requirement.. I can't think of anyone that needs one other than those in the countryside that drive high riding 4x4's for practical reasons. We all know that anyone in need of space is far better off in an estate. Some would say that a people carrier is best for space which may be true - but no such car could ever be considered on PH.

dmsims

6,554 posts

268 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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rlengthorn

46 posts

159 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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dmsims said:
I've just placed a lease order for one of these, albeit the new, updated 2022 model. We'll be coming from an older petrol Audi Q7, so I'm very much looking forward to the fuel saving!

McAndy

12,524 posts

178 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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rlengthorn said:
I've just placed a lease order for one of these, albeit the new, updated 2022 model. We'll be coming from an older petrol Audi Q7, so I'm very much looking forward to the fuel saving!
I'd be interested to read your thoughts. The price and range interest me greatly; the cheap items such as non-reach adjustable steering wheel worry me.

SWoll

18,498 posts

259 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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McAndy said:
Max_Torque said:
IME, once you get to a geniune 100kW of charging power (around 300 mph ) then the difference in time to charge is really neither here nor there in most cases. Probably the difference in going for a no2 vs a no1....... ;-)
Maybe they should advertise charging speeds in coffee strengths instead (multiples of espresso, perhaps) hehe
Anyone interested in range v charge speed v charge curve this is a great video from Rich Symons demonstrating it.


TheDeuce

21,890 posts

67 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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SWoll said:
McAndy said:
Max_Torque said:
IME, once you get to a geniune 100kW of charging power (around 300 mph ) then the difference in time to charge is really neither here nor there in most cases. Probably the difference in going for a no2 vs a no1....... ;-)
Maybe they should advertise charging speeds in coffee strengths instead (multiples of espresso, perhaps) hehe
Anyone interested in range v charge speed v charge curve this is a great video from Rich Symons demonstrating it.

Interesting stuff but this surely doesn't apply to most people does it? Granted, if you regularly need to charge en route it's a factor worth considering. But most people hardly ever charge anywhere other than at home, where charging speed is irrelevant. For those people choosing an EV based on more traditional considerations (style, comfort, feel, practicality etc) should trump technicalities such as charge speed curves. From the comparison I can see that my car is one of the worst, but I chose it over the e-tron one of the best. My penalty for that decision, is that on the only two occasions in 18 months of driving it that I have waited for it to charge en route, I perhaps had to occupy myself for an hour as opposed to 50 minutes?

It's kind of a non factor for the majority.

kambites

67,630 posts

222 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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McAndy said:
I'd be interested to read your thoughts. The price and range interest me greatly; the cheap items such as non-reach adjustable steering wheel worry me.
The new one seems to solve a lot of the glaring oversights of the original - there's now an app for remote heating and timed charging, the infotainment is better, you don't have to kneel on the floor to plug in the charging cable, etc. but yes, the lack of reach adjustment in the steering definitely shows the car's budget origins. It's a shame because the interior is otherwise pretty decent as long as you don't want to spend your days cuddling your door cards. I'd certainly rate the interior above the ID3, although I appreciate that's a low bar!

The Audi grille on that one must add at least £10k though.

dmsims

6,554 posts

268 months

Friday 3rd December 2021
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McAndy said:
I'd be interested to read your thoughts. The price and range interest me greatly; the cheap items such as non-reach adjustable steering wheel worry me.
There is always the MG5

McAndy

12,524 posts

178 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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kambites said:
The new one seems to solve a lot of the glaring oversights of the original - there's now an app for remote heating and timed charging, the infotainment is better, you don't have to kneel on the floor to plug in the charging cable, etc. but yes, the lack of reach adjustment in the steering definitely shows the car's budget origins. It's a shame because the interior is otherwise pretty decent as long as you don't want to spend your days cuddling your door cards. I'd certainly rate the interior above the ID3, although I appreciate that's a low bar!

The Audi grille on that one must add at least £10k though.
Chuckle. I went to see one on Saturday. Sadly very small compared to my expectations! Same for the 5. The steering wheel in the ZS was also a country mile away! Shame, but shows why it’s important to view cars before buying!