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TheDeuce said:
otolith said:
TheRainMaker said:
What a load of balls 
An EV that does 0-60 in 6 seconds will be no faster off the line than an ICE that will do 0-60 in 6 seconds.
But one that does 0-60 in 6 seconds half a second after the throttle is applied…An EV that does 0-60 in 6 seconds will be no faster off the line than an ICE that will do 0-60 in 6 seconds.
The only way an ICE will leave the lights as sharply is if it's launched... I'm sorry, but no one wants to sit at the lights looking a complete tit with launch control engaged and their engine screaming!
This is pretty much what a Porsche driver would need to do to leave the line as briskly as an EV each time:
Lily the Pink said:
Meanwhile, back in the real world, do any grown-ups really care about 0-60 times ? I'm far more interested in how briskly a car can get from 40-60, or 50-70, to get those overtakes done as quickly as possible.
Please collate the data for all cars with those figures and we can talk about that too… however…Lily the Pink said:
TheDeuce said:
otolith said:
TheRainMaker said:
What a load of balls
An EV that does 0-60 in 6 seconds will be no faster off the line than an ICE that will do 0-60 in 6 seconds.
But one that does 0-60 in 6 seconds half a second after the throttle is applied…An EV that does 0-60 in 6 seconds will be no faster off the line than an ICE that will do 0-60 in 6 seconds.
The only way an ICE will leave the lights as sharply is if it's launched... I'm sorry, but no one wants to sit at the lights looking a complete tit with launch control engaged and their engine screaming!
This is pretty much what a Porsche driver would need to do to leave the line as briskly as an EV each time:
Although in my defense a good 0-60 time usually means good 40-60 times as well.
Lily the Pink said:
Meanwhile, back in the real world, do any grown-ups really care about 0-60 times ? I'm far more interested in how briskly a car can get from 40-60, or 50-70, to get those overtakes done as quickly as possible.
Probably, because the vast majority who talk about cars will do so in units of 'horsepower', without understanding what it actually means, believing it to be the equivalent of inches on one's appendageWestyCarl said:
Lily the Pink said:
TheDeuce said:
otolith said:
TheRainMaker said:
What a load of balls
An EV that does 0-60 in 6 seconds will be no faster off the line than an ICE that will do 0-60 in 6 seconds.
But one that does 0-60 in 6 seconds half a second after the throttle is applied…An EV that does 0-60 in 6 seconds will be no faster off the line than an ICE that will do 0-60 in 6 seconds.
The only way an ICE will leave the lights as sharply is if it's launched... I'm sorry, but no one wants to sit at the lights looking a complete tit with launch control engaged and their engine screaming!
This is pretty much what a Porsche driver would need to do to leave the line as briskly as an EV each time:
Although in my defense a good 0-60 time usually means good 40-60 times as well.
However, we were discussing speed off the line, which is very important to me as it ensures I can easily, confidently and safely dart in to a narrow space on a busy roundabout etc. That sort of manoeuvre is just so much better in an EV.
TheDeuce said:
However, we were discussing speed off the line, which is very important to me as it ensures I can easily, confidently and safely dart in to a narrow space on a busy roundabout etc. That sort of manoeuvre is just so much better in an EV.
That's where performance is important and where autos all lag, sometimes just a little, other times they get themselves properly confused by what's going on and is expected of them as their little brains just can't cope. But an EV simply does what you ask at the exact moment you ask which is what makes them superb for assertive driving through busy cities. In reality the 0-60 isn't all that pertinent. It's the 0-1 that matters. The instant you push the pedal the car is moving. It does it every time regardless of the amount of throttle movement, the time of day or what it's tiny brain might think is going on, it just moves without you having to give a second thought, plan anything in advance, correct anything, press any buttons.
As for the whole 0-60 thing, two cars can have the same time but get there very differently. The 0-60 time is no measure for speed off the line. Just stick an AWD or 911 next to a front engined RWD car with the same 0-60 and everyone knows the incremental times will be very different.
0 to 60 is just historically easy to measure but not what is easy to perceive. Human sense of time is poor.
The shove in back of the seat is what we sense, and distance we observe, say relative distance of a competitor, who is in the lead. But acceleration has been difficult to measure directly until relatively recently with the advent of silicon micro electrical machines - tiny cheap devices in our phones.
The shove in back of the seat is what we sense, and distance we observe, say relative distance of a competitor, who is in the lead. But acceleration has been difficult to measure directly until relatively recently with the advent of silicon micro electrical machines - tiny cheap devices in our phones.
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