Charging points rolled back - quietly.
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DonkeyApple said:
A company isn't going to want staff fannying about on company time playing at moving cars about. A company isn't going to give away any more electricity than it needs to or of charging a fee not have them being used as long as possible. Very basic chargers needed for most staff with some fast chargers for corporate customers or to meet specific staff needs.
Companies can use the electricity they give away to boost their green credentials. When bidding for contracts they can say they are carbon neutral because all their emissions were offset by charging employee cars. My old employer did that because every contract they bid on had an environmental impact assessment.aestetix1 said:
Companies can use the electricity they give away to boost their green credentials. When bidding for contracts they can say they are carbon neutral because all their emissions were offset by charging employee cars. My old employer did that because every contract they bid on had an environmental impact assessment.
Not just that but when it comes to raising capital it's also important for accessing the largest pools at fairest prices. Partly why the most polluting industries are front running green hydrogen investment for the carbon credits and access to capital markets. Many enterprises must install chargers for many reasons over the next twenty years. It's practically criminal to use taxpayer money to create a network today that simply isn't needed and will be paid for out of necessity by private enterprise. But then the reality is that much from Govt is deliberate platitudes because they are fully aware of this. Hence the £600m announcement for street chargers where the man in the street assumes this means they'll be getting a nice new charger outside their house. Someone else's expense when the reality is that any chargers will go where the wealth and means to use an EV exists today. Which isn't their street but high streets in affluent zones as this is where the low hanging fruit for EV conversion lies and will be for some time to come.
Welshbeef said:
Given the deficit and debt mountain the U.K. has - how long until BIK for the topping up of EVs is part of taxation. ?
Everything will be taxed eventually. Again, we know this. The U.K. has one of the most efficient tax systems on the planet, any activity or asset that is untaxed is done so specifically and when those reasons change so does the level of taxation. BIK is too low in my opinion, or should be stepped based on list price. We need to incentivise lower cost EVs rather than reward gluttony and lower priced cars will generally appeal more to those on lower income who currently get less "value" from low BIK ue to being lower rate tax payers. I'd much prefer the nurses who visit my dad every day could afford a EV for say £75 a month deducted from their salary than the powerfully built director having a Taycan for himself and a EQC for his misses to do the school run (I stereotype) while getting the tax man to fund half of it.
Sorting out the wayleave issue on getting electric supply across private land would be welcome too, sorting out some planning red tape would speed things up as would holding the DNO's to account for not gettng more backbone infrastructure in place.
Sorting out the wayleave issue on getting electric supply across private land would be welcome too, sorting out some planning red tape would speed things up as would holding the DNO's to account for not gettng more backbone infrastructure in place.
Heres Johnny said:
BIK is too low in my opinion, or should be stepped based on list price. We need to incentivise lower cost EVs rather than reward gluttony and lower priced cars will generally appeal more to those on lower income who currently get less "value" from low BIK ue to being lower rate tax payers. I'd much prefer the nurses who visit my dad every day could afford a EV for say £75 a month deducted from their salary than the powerfully built director having a Taycan for himself and a EQC for his misses to do the school run (I stereotype) while getting the tax man to fund half of it.
Sorting out the wayleave issue on getting electric supply across private land would be welcome too, sorting out some planning red tape would speed things up as would holding the DNO's to account for not gettng more backbone infrastructure in place.
Agree. However, so do the powers that be. BIK for all is just the opener. By not throttling it you create a significant boost in uptake across the board of all types among the millions who can easily refuel. You'll be giving tax breaks to people who have no need of being in receipt of them but the biggest boost will be among normal employees of large companies that can now go back to using the company car as an employment perk as well as grab valuable eco points. You saw the same thing with the grants to manufacturers for selling an EV, they all got their subsidy regardless of the value of the product they sold but over time this has been wound down to lower and lower value EVs. Sorting out the wayleave issue on getting electric supply across private land would be welcome too, sorting out some planning red tape would speed things up as would holding the DNO's to account for not gettng more backbone infrastructure in place.
The Govt doesn't want to be losing tens of thousands from people who can easily pay those sums, it's a means to an end and in a few years the benefit will get pulled back in each successive budget. The plan is to be able to tax the living s
t out of EV drivers bit you've got to get them into that car first and enough of them with a switching rate from ICE that won't be hindered by the ratcheting up of taxation. In a few years time you won't need BIK incentives for higher earners as they will willingly pay the taxes for an EV or risk looking like they haven't the same spending power as a more junior employee. No senior manager is going to rock up in a diesel 320 when the junior managers either side are parking Tesla M3s.
Plus, massively boosting the number of EVs via BIK will massively speed up the corporate charging infrastructure that others will need to make the switch down the line.
Agree re the NHS etc but as an organisation they are prolific wasters of money which is why our little village hospital has a bank of empty chargers in the staff car park that probably cost tens of thousands more than the going rate to install and sit their unused but maintained via extremely over priced service contracts.
. It's best to leave the charging infrastructure to entities that exist to make profit rather than haemorrhage taxpayer cash to those private enterprises.
DonkeyApple said:
A company isn't going to want staff fannying about on company time playing at moving cars about. A company isn't going to give away any more electricity than it needs to or of charging a fee not have them being used as long as possible. Very basic chargers needed for most staff with some fast chargers for corporate customers or to meet specific staff needs.
You’ve just described the charging facilities at Ford’s technology park in Dunton. Granted it’s operated by GeniePoint which is slightly annoying for my part. 110 mile round trip a day, to which I can charge my Kia at 14p kWh which is still cheaper than charging at home. Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff