545 mile day tomorrow....
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What would a perfect system look like for such a journey?
You know in 10-15 years when all petrol stations have been converted?
Would it still be splash and dash? And with super duper chargers would that still mean 5 mins to charge to 80%.
If everyone is doing this, but filling up with fuel takes 2 mins vs 5mins with electricity, will it not be a massive log jam still?
With a 300-400 mile range as the sweet spot for car manufacturers, will long (600 mile) range driving always be affected.
One would imagine eventually there will be supermega chargers at every fuel pump, every lamppost, every carport etc
But will it ever be as seamless as say 2010, when every (ICE) car on the road could do 400 miles?
Genuinely interested, ex EV hater, (have grown up now)
You know in 10-15 years when all petrol stations have been converted?
Would it still be splash and dash? And with super duper chargers would that still mean 5 mins to charge to 80%.
If everyone is doing this, but filling up with fuel takes 2 mins vs 5mins with electricity, will it not be a massive log jam still?
With a 300-400 mile range as the sweet spot for car manufacturers, will long (600 mile) range driving always be affected.
One would imagine eventually there will be supermega chargers at every fuel pump, every lamppost, every carport etc
But will it ever be as seamless as say 2010, when every (ICE) car on the road could do 400 miles?
Genuinely interested, ex EV hater, (have grown up now)
The_Doc said:
What would a perfect system look like for such a journey?
You know in 10-15 years when all petrol stations have been converted?
Would it still be splash and dash? And with super duper chargers would that still mean 5 mins to charge to 80%.
If everyone is doing this, but filling up with fuel takes 2 mins vs 5mins with electricity, will it not be a massive log jam still?
With a 300-400 mile range as the sweet spot for car manufacturers, will long (600 mile) range driving always be affected.
One would imagine eventually there will be supermega chargers at every fuel pump, every lamppost, every carport etc
But will it ever be as seamless as say 2010, when every (ICE) car on the road could do 400 miles?
Genuinely interested, ex EV hater, (have grown up now)
hopefully in 2037 some new EVs will have 1000 mile battery packs, so you won't need to charge at all for such a journey.You know in 10-15 years when all petrol stations have been converted?
Would it still be splash and dash? And with super duper chargers would that still mean 5 mins to charge to 80%.
If everyone is doing this, but filling up with fuel takes 2 mins vs 5mins with electricity, will it not be a massive log jam still?
With a 300-400 mile range as the sweet spot for car manufacturers, will long (600 mile) range driving always be affected.
One would imagine eventually there will be supermega chargers at every fuel pump, every lamppost, every carport etc
But will it ever be as seamless as say 2010, when every (ICE) car on the road could do 400 miles?
Genuinely interested, ex EV hater, (have grown up now)
Now starting the homeward leg.
Just to add, zero range angst, the fact it’ll do over 200 miles on a dark very wet winter motorway trip is ace.
Looks like I didn’t get charged for my first charge either!? Currently left the mothers, 20 mins at Nottingham, charging at 200 kw.
As a long range ev newbie. Totally no effort. Get in the car, stop when it says, the off you go.
I think the ‘fun’ is beating the system. My gut tells me I could have got to Grantham without stopping. However for the sake of the first 10 min stop, it’s not worth the risk(at this point).
It has been nicely planted with all the standing water on the motorway.
I think in my old car, it’d been about 20 mins less of stopping so far.
Auto wipers are crap. Stereo is ace.
Just to add, zero range angst, the fact it’ll do over 200 miles on a dark very wet winter motorway trip is ace.
Looks like I didn’t get charged for my first charge either!? Currently left the mothers, 20 mins at Nottingham, charging at 200 kw.
As a long range ev newbie. Totally no effort. Get in the car, stop when it says, the off you go.
I think the ‘fun’ is beating the system. My gut tells me I could have got to Grantham without stopping. However for the sake of the first 10 min stop, it’s not worth the risk(at this point).
It has been nicely planted with all the standing water on the motorway.
I think in my old car, it’d been about 20 mins less of stopping so far.
Auto wipers are crap. Stereo is ace.
Richard-G said:
aestetix1 said:
Oof. Wouldn't want to be stuck in a Model 3 that long.
Can i ask why? ive just taken delivery of a 2021 model 3 LR and its really comfy, quiet and serene. The thing nearly drives itself!Seems like a fantastic car so far so im intertested in hearing why you think it might be hellish?
I drive a Volvo S80 but have driven the TM3 extensively from one end of the country to the other and coming from the S80 I think it's bouncy, over-firm, and there's nowhere to comfortably rest your feet (the S80 has ACC as well so I don't touch the pedals in either car). Seats are good, and sound system is even better than the HK one in the Volvo, but I know which one I'd be choosing for a long motorway run if comfort was the primary concern. The TM3 isn't uncomfortable, it's just not as good as the Volvo.
Also, whilst we're on the subject of driver aids, the Autopilot in the TM3 has scared the s
t out of me with phantom braking a few times. Even though the Volvo ACC doesn't do the steering at all, I still find it more predictable and relaxing to use.I actually think that I was planning ahead when I got my M Roadster. 200 miles range and only drinks Shell V Power.
It can drink low octane if it must, but should only be driven like Miss Daisy. This would be my 3-pin plug.
I really fancy an electric - it's the initial cost that puts me off. I don't do the miles to regain any benefit. Only do about 15,000 per year.
Thanks OP - it's good to read real world EV experience.
It can drink low octane if it must, but should only be driven like Miss Daisy. This would be my 3-pin plug.
I really fancy an electric - it's the initial cost that puts me off. I don't do the miles to regain any benefit. Only do about 15,000 per year.
Thanks OP - it's good to read real world EV experience.
The_Doc said:
What would a perfect system look like for such a journey?
You know in 10-15 years when all petrol stations have been converted?
Would it still be splash and dash? And with super duper chargers would that still mean 5 mins to charge to 80%.
If everyone is doing this, but filling up with fuel takes 2 mins vs 5mins with electricity, will it not be a massive log jam still?
With a 300-400 mile range as the sweet spot for car manufacturers, will long (600 mile) range driving always be affected.
One would imagine eventually there will be supermega chargers at every fuel pump, every lamppost, every carport etc
But will it ever be as seamless as say 2010, when every (ICE) car on the road could do 400 miles?
Genuinely interested, ex EV hater, (have grown up now)
It’s funny, and it took me a while to get into the EV groove. You know in 10-15 years when all petrol stations have been converted?
Would it still be splash and dash? And with super duper chargers would that still mean 5 mins to charge to 80%.
If everyone is doing this, but filling up with fuel takes 2 mins vs 5mins with electricity, will it not be a massive log jam still?
With a 300-400 mile range as the sweet spot for car manufacturers, will long (600 mile) range driving always be affected.
One would imagine eventually there will be supermega chargers at every fuel pump, every lamppost, every carport etc
But will it ever be as seamless as say 2010, when every (ICE) car on the road could do 400 miles?
Genuinely interested, ex EV hater, (have grown up now)
Most EVs these days are pretty accurate on their range, especially with their native trip planners. So the idea of filling to fill just isn’t there. You charge to what you need and a little contingency. That’s all. It has been pointed out here on PH before, but it really shouldn’t be called range anxiety but charger anxiety. Access to chargers is the issue, not battery size or range.
With easier access, faster charging speeds and not having to charge to full each time, suddenly trips get a lot easier. Will we get to 1000 miles on a single charge? Maybe, but probably not needed. Just like cars that can do 1000 miles on a tank - there are a few, but rare in reality. It’s just not how we use them. Same will apply with EVs.
I see a world where we splash and dash, have a much better charging infrastructure and will probably peak at around 300-400 miles range for the average EV. That probably fits 95% of use cases and so most drivers will be covered.
It was my sister in a Zoe that triggered me to get an EV. Range was 100 miles and she had to take me 150 miles! How would it work? Well, grab a charge at the airport (free) and a quick splash and dash on the way. Hey presto it’s all ok. Does it work in all situations? Nope. But for the others it’s absolutely fine.
And of course, it won’t work for everyone. That’s ok. Just like a GT3 won’t work for everyone. Or an MX-5 won’t work for everyone too. An EV today isn’t perfect. But it has its positive points and negative ones. And knowing that you don’t need to stop at a petrol station is a small but nice one for me!
The_Doc said:
What would a perfect system look like for such a journey?
You know in 10-15 years when all petrol stations have been converted?
Would it still be splash and dash? And with super duper chargers would that still mean 5 mins to charge to 80%.
If everyone is doing this, but filling up with fuel takes 2 mins vs 5mins with electricity, will it not be a massive log jam still?
With a 300-400 mile range as the sweet spot for car manufacturers, will long (600 mile) range driving always be affected.
One would imagine eventually there will be supermega chargers at every fuel pump, every lamppost, every carport etc
But will it ever be as seamless as say 2010, when every (ICE) car on the road could do 400 miles?
Genuinely interested, ex EV hater, (have grown up now)
In 10-15 years there will still be loads of petrol cars and petrol stations. The rate of switch to EV is very gradual and will take many years. You know in 10-15 years when all petrol stations have been converted?
Would it still be splash and dash? And with super duper chargers would that still mean 5 mins to charge to 80%.
If everyone is doing this, but filling up with fuel takes 2 mins vs 5mins with electricity, will it not be a massive log jam still?
With a 300-400 mile range as the sweet spot for car manufacturers, will long (600 mile) range driving always be affected.
One would imagine eventually there will be supermega chargers at every fuel pump, every lamppost, every carport etc
But will it ever be as seamless as say 2010, when every (ICE) car on the road could do 400 miles?
Genuinely interested, ex EV hater, (have grown up now)
Bit EV fuelling will not follow the path of petrol vending. The petrol shop network has evolved to meet the requirements of petrol distribution and petrol cars. EV refuelling will grow defined by the needs of those vehicles.
With our ICE cars we are constrained to refuelling at a few select points. This works perfectly because you want single points for delivering that fuel and as it only takes a moment to refuel a car each customer cycles through quickly. You can't process EV refuelling that way bit nor do you need to because you don't need to deliver the fuel to a single point. With EVs we will simply have our refuelling needs met by a complete spread of chargers as electricity in the U.K. is ubiquitous and available at every road exit. Unlike the US we do not have vast expanses without electricity that must be leapfrogged.
There's a YouTube in Norway who tests EVs, Born Nyland, and one of his regular tests is to do 1000km in the shortest time possible.
His strategy is always to charge sufficiently to get to the next handy charge point even if he's only taking the battery up to 50%is. His theory is that way the charge rate is highest and doesn't drop off as batteries get to higher charge levels. He is helped in that be the amazing number of decent rapid charge stations out there.
Last time I looked his 2nd fastest car doing the complete 1000km trip was a Citroen eC4. That was couple of months ago.
His strategy is always to charge sufficiently to get to the next handy charge point even if he's only taking the battery up to 50%is. His theory is that way the charge rate is highest and doesn't drop off as batteries get to higher charge levels. He is helped in that be the amazing number of decent rapid charge stations out there.
Last time I looked his 2nd fastest car doing the complete 1000km trip was a Citroen eC4. That was couple of months ago.
FiF said:
Last time I looked his 2nd fastest car doing the complete 1000km trip was a Citroen eC4. That was couple of months ago.
Nope.Citroen was 11:15hr. Not fast by any means and aided by mild ambient temperatures.
https://www.carblogger.nl/1000km-test-elektrische-...
Just Landed back home(19.47). Stopped at hopwood park again, hoping for a free charge like this AM..... no luck 
Last 150miles 277 wh/mi.
Basically it was zero issue at all, now that might just be the charging network, however as a 'tool'. the car did what it needed to.
The auto wipers are crap, as the last ones on the bmw and Mercedes I had worked perfectly. They were also consistent. the tesla wipers aren't. The ACC gets confused with cars around sometimes.
I went for this car for its charging network and motorway range. Today it proved me right on those metrics.
The ride is better on the motorway than on A roads, Seats are good(not as good as an E-class).
Last 150miles 277 wh/mi.
Basically it was zero issue at all, now that might just be the charging network, however as a 'tool'. the car did what it needed to.
The auto wipers are crap, as the last ones on the bmw and Mercedes I had worked perfectly. They were also consistent. the tesla wipers aren't. The ACC gets confused with cars around sometimes.
I went for this car for its charging network and motorway range. Today it proved me right on those metrics.
The ride is better on the motorway than on A roads, Seats are good(not as good as an E-class).
jason61c said:
Just Landed back home(19.47). Stopped at hopwood park again, hoping for a free charge like this AM..... no luck
Last 150miles 277 wh/mi.
Basically it was zero issue at all, now that might just be the charging network, however as a 'tool'. the car did what it needed to.
The auto wipers are crap, as the last ones on the bmw and Mercedes I had worked perfectly. They were also consistent. the tesla wipers aren't. The ACC gets confused with cars around sometimes.
I went for this car for its charging network and motorway range. Today it proved me right on those metrics.
The ride is better on the motorway than on A roads, Seats are good(not as good as an E-class).
Bloody hell are you alright? Last 150miles 277 wh/mi.
Basically it was zero issue at all, now that might just be the charging network, however as a 'tool'. the car did what it needed to.
The auto wipers are crap, as the last ones on the bmw and Mercedes I had worked perfectly. They were also consistent. the tesla wipers aren't. The ACC gets confused with cars around sometimes.
I went for this car for its charging network and motorway range. Today it proved me right on those metrics.
The ride is better on the motorway than on A roads, Seats are good(not as good as an E-class).
A (semi) positive post about a Tesla?! Anyway glad you found it seamless - it is thanks to the Supercharging network.
Regarding the crap wipers... if you have the latest updates with the new dashboard design, you can pin your favourite apps to the taskbar at the bottom. This makes it much easier.
LordFlathead said:
Bloody hell are you alright?
A (semi) positive post about a Tesla?! Anyway glad you found it seamless - it is thanks to the Supercharging network.
Regarding the crap wipers... if you have the latest updates with the new dashboard design, you can pin your favourite apps to the taskbar at the bottom. This makes it much easier.
the car feels so much better than the one I tried 18 months ago. A (semi) positive post about a Tesla?! Anyway glad you found it seamless - it is thanks to the Supercharging network.
Regarding the crap wipers... if you have the latest updates with the new dashboard design, you can pin your favourite apps to the taskbar at the bottom. This makes it much easier.
I do miss 'luxury' though.Yes to the new Software, its just how the auto wipers work.
I miss multi beam headlights also! however I can't blame that on the car.
The stereo is really good though. same as the single pedal drive.
We have just swapped our Tesla M3 Performance for a Taycan and will do our first long drive in it tomorrow.
The M3 was quite a good car to be fair. I hated the bongs and the auto wipers, (they are incredibly poor), but the charging network is peerless.
Will the Taycan be as good long range? Well tomorrow will tell, but in and out of London, short hops to work etc, it is indeed quite exceptional.
The M3 was quite a good car to be fair. I hated the bongs and the auto wipers, (they are incredibly poor), but the charging network is peerless.
Will the Taycan be as good long range? Well tomorrow will tell, but in and out of London, short hops to work etc, it is indeed quite exceptional.
findtomdotcom said:
We have just swapped our Tesla M3 Performance for a Taycan and will do our first long drive in it tomorrow.
The M3 was quite a good car to be fair. I hated the bongs and the auto wipers, (they are incredibly poor), but the charging network is peerless.
Will the Taycan be as good long range? Well tomorrow will tell, but in and out of London, short hops to work etc, it is indeed quite exceptional.
I did think about one as a salary sacrifice car. The lead times were massive though.The M3 was quite a good car to be fair. I hated the bongs and the auto wipers, (they are incredibly poor), but the charging network is peerless.
Will the Taycan be as good long range? Well tomorrow will tell, but in and out of London, short hops to work etc, it is indeed quite exceptional.
in 3 years
SWoll said:
NNH said:
We did one of our longest EV drives yesterday in a Kia Niro. Pasadena - Altadena - Downtown LA - Costa Mesa, and then the same route back collecting and dropping off various in-laws. 70-85mph on the freeway, plus normal surface street speeds. I was impressed that even with all the freeway driving, the range display only dropped by 155 miles from 210 to 55, on a 145 mile journey. We'll feel more confident in future!
Have a great trip, OP
Your weather is rather better than ours in late december, and the e-Niro is one of the most honest cars with regards to range. Have a great trip, OP
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