Sony is releasing a car
Discussion
ZesPak said:
TheDeuce said:
Which is an excellent idea. Cheaper if one gets knocked off too!
I think the much lower profile just makes a LOT more unlikely to be knocked off anyway.We should make them retractable, so they retract in the dashboard
.Also the aero benefit must be considerable. Wing mirrors are big these days, anyone that's stuck their flat hand out of the window at 70mph can appreciate the sort of drag even the smallest wing mirrors create. These camera stalks however are for more slender.
Munter said:
Lots of benefits to the camera/screen rather than a mirror.
The only downside seems to be that as another road user, I have no idea if the driver can see me in their camera. With a mirror if I can see the driver, the driver can see me. That "safety" is removed.
Can’t say it has ever crossed my mind for one second to check if I can see the driver of another car in their mirrors The only downside seems to be that as another road user, I have no idea if the driver can see me in their camera. With a mirror if I can see the driver, the driver can see me. That "safety" is removed.
craigjm said:
Munter said:
Lots of benefits to the camera/screen rather than a mirror.
The only downside seems to be that as another road user, I have no idea if the driver can see me in their camera. With a mirror if I can see the driver, the driver can see me. That "safety" is removed.
Can’t say it has ever crossed my mind for one second to check if I can see the driver of another car in their mirrors The only downside seems to be that as another road user, I have no idea if the driver can see me in their camera. With a mirror if I can see the driver, the driver can see me. That "safety" is removed.
vikingaero said:
Lots of touchscreen haters on PH!
Indeed, hopefully none of them have seen this 
https://www.byton.com/m-byte
TheDeuce said:
off_again said:
TheDeuce said:
Apparently a replacement wing mirror for my car is about £1000, because:
-Puddle light
-Surround Camera
-Heated
-Power adjust
-Power fold
-Blind spot light
-Integrated turn signal
-And it has a mirror too
Whereas the camera on a little stalk is way less likely to get knocked in the first place, and other than a tiny heater coil as part of the camera lens itself, doesn't need any of the other stuff other than puddle light I guess. Other than that, it can achieve everything my stupidly expensive mirrors can.
I used to work with someone who absolutely believed that the added complexity that was added to modern mirrors was a conspiracy by the manufacturers to up the costs of parts. As a joke, it makes sense, but he absolutely believed it! And only 1000GBP for a replacement mirror? Just took a look a couple of cars I have had and I am looking at around 1500! Something like 900 for the body, 300 for the 'special mirror glass' and a another 300 for the camera - and then you have to add fitting etc... madness.-Puddle light
-Surround Camera
-Heated
-Power adjust
-Power fold
-Blind spot light
-Integrated turn signal
-And it has a mirror too
Whereas the camera on a little stalk is way less likely to get knocked in the first place, and other than a tiny heater coil as part of the camera lens itself, doesn't need any of the other stuff other than puddle light I guess. Other than that, it can achieve everything my stupidly expensive mirrors can.
I hope your username isn't a reference as to how many times you've had to pay for a new one...
$1600 total cost, and that was with no body work to repair! The mirror unit itself wasnt that expensive, the labor and the aluminium frame were the expensive part - it goes down the inside of the door and is a single part. Yep, that meant the door skin had to come off and to get to that, you had to take the side window and regulator out. Nice. Thanks for that BMW.
Oh and we dont even have the surround view camera system!
off_again said:
I used to work with someone who absolutely believed that the added complexity that was added to modern mirrors was a conspiracy by the manufacturers to up the costs of parts. As a joke, it makes sense, but he absolutely believed it! And only 1000GBP for a replacement mirror? Just took a look a couple of cars I have had and I am looking at around 1500! Something like 900 for the body, 300 for the 'special mirror glass' and a another 300 for the camera - and then you have to add fitting etc... madness.
My first car was a Renault 6. The mirror got knocked off that and I just went into a car parts and spares shop, remember those on every high street, and just bought a generic replacement for about a fiver. I also added a radio aerial by using a 6 inch nail and a hammer to make a hole for it in the roof
Could someone make an electric car that has a decent range and just has a normal inside, like say a 1998 3 series.
DonkeyApple said:
croyde said:
Could someone make an electric car that has a decent range and just has a normal inside, like say a 1998 3 series.
An eco EV? Never happen. It's not what EVs are at all about. 
Now stop ya whingeing!
(And joking aside, don't pretty much all current EV's have a 'normal' interior? Normal for the 2020's...)
TheDeuce said:
DonkeyApple said:
croyde said:
Could someone make an electric car that has a decent range and just has a normal inside, like say a 1998 3 series.
An eco EV? Never happen. It's not what EVs are at all about. Now stop ya whingeing!
(And joking aside, don't pretty much all current EV's have a 'normal' interior? Normal for the 2020's...)
DonkeyApple said:
croyde said:
Could someone make an electric car that has a decent range and just has a normal inside, like say a 1998 3 series.
An eco EV? Never happen. It's not what EVs are at all about. The i4 is exactly the same inside as a petrol 4 series, what more do people want?
SWoll said:
DonkeyApple said:
croyde said:
Could someone make an electric car that has a decent range and just has a normal inside, like say a 1998 3 series.
An eco EV? Never happen. It's not what EVs are at all about. The i4 is exactly the same inside as a petrol 4 series, what more do people want?
croyde said:
....Could someone make an electric car that has a decent range and just has a normal inside, like say a 1998 3 series.
How many will you buy Croyde? If you can commit to an order for 10,000 I would be happy to get started.Say what? One. You want to buy one.
Not going to happen mate, its demand and supply, not lack of demand and supply.
Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 12th January 08:47
hyphen said:
croyde said:
....Could someone make an electric car that has a decent range and just has a normal inside, like say a 1998 3 series.
How many will you buy Croyde? If you can commit to an order for 10,000 I would be happy to get started.Say what? One. You want to buy one.
Not going to happen mate, its demand and supply, not lack of demand and supply just because you are still stuck in 1998.
You're absolutely right that the bulk of consumers want as much tech and gadgetry as can be obtained for the monthly fee. But the irony is that the PR machines of the manufacturers are overweight on eco spin while their products are overweight on consumption the root cause of excess global pollution.
As observed above, the GWiz was pretty much the last time EVs had anything to really do with the global environment.
It's a bit of a shame really as the EV drivetrain lends itself so wonderfully to simplicity and stripping out all the lard the modern consumer craves and seemingly can barely cope without.
Maybe it's a niche that will get filled in coming decades when manufacturers need to compete in more areas than the number of TVs and Saga life support systems they can wedge in.
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