Andersen A2 (3 Phase) charging a Nissan Leaf
Discussion
Hi all. I've just bought a 30kw 2016 Leaf Tekna for my wife. It's got the type 1 connector and the 'fast' Chademo connection which can charge at 6.6kWh I understand.
Our house already has 3phase power so it seems a good idea to future proof to order a 3 Phase Andersen device which can ultimately charge at 22kWh.
I of course know the leaf cannot charge at 22kWh, only 6.6kWh.
I was asking the Andersen people to confirm I can 'fast charge' the lead using the Andersen but they said I might need a connector? They could not be sure and had never heard of 'Chademo' which made a bit concerned.
I don't really want the hassle of adaptors. Is there anyone who can confirm my charger will 'fast charge' out the box?
I'm really new to EV and these decisions are not cheap so I'm keen to get it right.
Our house already has 3phase power so it seems a good idea to future proof to order a 3 Phase Andersen device which can ultimately charge at 22kWh.
I of course know the leaf cannot charge at 22kWh, only 6.6kWh.
I was asking the Andersen people to confirm I can 'fast charge' the lead using the Andersen but they said I might need a connector? They could not be sure and had never heard of 'Chademo' which made a bit concerned.
I don't really want the hassle of adaptors. Is there anyone who can confirm my charger will 'fast charge' out the box?
I'm really new to EV and these decisions are not cheap so I'm keen to get it right.
Mr E said:
Your type 1 should/might charge at 7.2KW
The second socket is for 50KW “fast” charging.
Thanks - the car came with two leads. The Nissan granny lead which connects to the Type 1 connector. This is all I can use today. The second is a Rolec branded cable which can connect from the Chademo port in the car to a Rolec 32a WallPod which I bought secondhand as an interim solution until the Andersen is installed. This I'm assuming is my 'fast charger' for use when out and about for charging.The second socket is for 50KW “fast” charging.
From what you say, my Andersen A2 which is a tethered charger would need a Type1 connector, which I'm sure it wouldn't be supplied with as its being marketed for fast charging cars??
longblackcoat said:
Unless you have the optional onboard 6.6kW charger, then (without additional equipment) you'll not be able to charge at faster than 3.3kW using the Type 1 connector.
No idea about using the Chademo with a domestic setup though
I do have the optional 6.6kW charger.No idea about using the Chademo with a domestic setup though
Perhaps where my confusion lies is I assumed to make use of that speed the Chademo port needs to be used which I think is NOT type 1 ?
Rawhide said:
longblackcoat said:
Unless you have the optional onboard 6.6kW charger, then (without additional equipment) you'll not be able to charge at faster than 3.3kW using the Type 1 connector.
No idea about using the Chademo with a domestic setup though
I do have the optional 6.6kW charger.No idea about using the Chademo with a domestic setup though
Perhaps where my confusion lies is I assumed to make use of that speed the Chademo port needs to be used which I think is NOT type 1 ?
Rawhide said:
I just spoke to Andersen again and they tell me I need a type 1 to type 2 adapter. However this adapter will be able to remain on the cable and fit within the box still.
I'm unclear though of which port I should be connecting to in the leaf. The type 1 port, or the Chademo port.?
Type 1.I'm unclear though of which port I should be connecting to in the leaf. The type 1 port, or the Chademo port.?
superpp said:
How many miles do you ever envisage driving in a day?
A 7kwh charger will add plenty of miles whilst you sleep.
Work out if you really need anything faster than 30 miles added each hour parked on 7kwh.
If you have 3 phase available I don’t know why you wouldn’t fit a 22kW charger especially when with the Andersen it costs so little extra. A 7kwh charger will add plenty of miles whilst you sleep.
Work out if you really need anything faster than 30 miles added each hour parked on 7kwh.
OP - as others have said, the Chademo port is only for DC rapid charging. For AC charging, you use the Type 1 port.
Toaster Pilot said:
If you have 3 phase available I don’t know why you wouldn’t fit a 22kW charger especially when with the Andersen it costs so little extra.
OP - as others have said, the Chademo port is only for DC rapid charging. For AC charging, you use the Type 1 port.
I've decided to cancel my Andersen order. The reasons being;OP - as others have said, the Chademo port is only for DC rapid charging. For AC charging, you use the Type 1 port.
1) Our leaf will never charge more than 6.6kWh
2) Whilst we intend to offer our charger to guests (airb&b) they will still likely be ok with overnight charging at 7kwh.
3) I'd need to also install a 3 Phase consumer unit as my current unit is single phase
4) I've already good a perfectly good single phase Rolec 32amp charger that I can install myself (total cost circa £200)
In short the only benefit I can see going 3 phase at this time would mean some tesla owning guest might be able to charge their car in an hour, rather than overnight. I'd be paying around £2500 for them to do this!
Edited by Rawhide on Tuesday 11th January 16:18
Toaster Pilot said:
You can install yourself? Are you a qualified electrician? I’m not sure I’d be offering a DIY installed charger to paying guests otherwise, sounds like a liability nightmare.
Fair point, I do have a trusted electrician who I have asked to inspect my work before I use the circuit. I know there are considerations such as earthing rods to consider and suchlike. The actual install could not be simpler, consumer unit - wall - EV on other side. Dedicated circuit.You are going to be able to charge at 6.6kW at home using the type 1 connector as that’s the size of the charger on the car.
The wall box is just a max capacity EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) that provides power to the car, the car will be the bottleneck. Especially as a leaf doesn’t do 3 phase at all, an 11kW EVSE would probably mean the leaf only charges at 3.3kW!
The wall box is just a max capacity EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) that provides power to the car, the car will be the bottleneck. Especially as a leaf doesn’t do 3 phase at all, an 11kW EVSE would probably mean the leaf only charges at 3.3kW!
Yes because it uses CHAdeMO purely due to the bi-directional protocol handshake and DC being easier to manage any earth faults, it is however fed by a 32A UK domestic voltage cable. Hence 7kW. Benefit it works both way, my friend has one as a V2G trial study.
Pretty serious bits of kit!
Pretty serious bits of kit!
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