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TheDeuce said:
Fair enough on the stats - I didn't realise it was an earlier car.
But I was careful to note that the 330 mile journey would be an rarity for most people - and as such, whatever charging is required shouldn't be that much of an upset. If however long journeys are more commonplace, then I would question why a person would buy an EV with such limited range.
Same as any other machine, you have to buy the car that does what you need it to do. Are there EV's that will do a 330 mile journey in a single charge? Just about.. at worst there's a few that would do it with a single 30 minute break. The comment about requiring 'multiple' charge breaks is down to car choice, not limitation of tech or infrastructure.
EDIT: TP, I've tried to address your most recent post in this post.
Some of the longer range EV's are better suited to multiple charges on longer journeys rather than a single charge due to their charge curves. Our eTron manages to maintain high speeds until 80% so great for a single stop, but our previous Tesla would drop off a cliff at 50% so was actually quicker to stop twice and do 10%>50% charges instead.But I was careful to note that the 330 mile journey would be an rarity for most people - and as such, whatever charging is required shouldn't be that much of an upset. If however long journeys are more commonplace, then I would question why a person would buy an EV with such limited range.
Same as any other machine, you have to buy the car that does what you need it to do. Are there EV's that will do a 330 mile journey in a single charge? Just about.. at worst there's a few that would do it with a single 30 minute break. The comment about requiring 'multiple' charge breaks is down to car choice, not limitation of tech or infrastructure.
EDIT: TP, I've tried to address your most recent post in this post.
All fun and games.
SWoll said:
TheDeuce said:
Fair enough on the stats - I didn't realise it was an earlier car.
But I was careful to note that the 330 mile journey would be an rarity for most people - and as such, whatever charging is required shouldn't be that much of an upset. If however long journeys are more commonplace, then I would question why a person would buy an EV with such limited range.
Same as any other machine, you have to buy the car that does what you need it to do. Are there EV's that will do a 330 mile journey in a single charge? Just about.. at worst there's a few that would do it with a single 30 minute break. The comment about requiring 'multiple' charge breaks is down to car choice, not limitation of tech or infrastructure.
EDIT: TP, I've tried to address your most recent post in this post.
Some of the longer range EV's are better suited to multiple charges on longer journeys rather than a single charge due to their charge curves. Our eTron manages to maintain high speeds until 80% so great for a single stop, but our previous Tesla would drop off a cliff at 50% so was actually quicker to stop twice and do 10%>50% charges instead.But I was careful to note that the 330 mile journey would be an rarity for most people - and as such, whatever charging is required shouldn't be that much of an upset. If however long journeys are more commonplace, then I would question why a person would buy an EV with such limited range.
Same as any other machine, you have to buy the car that does what you need it to do. Are there EV's that will do a 330 mile journey in a single charge? Just about.. at worst there's a few that would do it with a single 30 minute break. The comment about requiring 'multiple' charge breaks is down to car choice, not limitation of tech or infrastructure.
EDIT: TP, I've tried to address your most recent post in this post.
All fun and games.
Aiminghigh123 said:
It’s stuff like this that puts me off. Having to plan stops etc. From what my mate told me as well if you start making progress EV range gets hammered!!
Again very model dependent - I found the e-Tron 55 could just be driven like an ICE Audi (ie with very little to no concern for economy) and it’s mega charging performance would offset any increased consumption. Toaster Pilot said:
Aiminghigh123 said:
It’s stuff like this that puts me off. Having to plan stops etc. From what my mate told me as well if you start making progress EV range gets hammered!!
Again very model dependent - I found the e-Tron 55 could just be driven like an ICE Audi (ie with very little to no concern for economy) and it’s mega charging performance would offset any increased consumption. My EV supposedly does 280 miles on a charge. I'll never see more than 200 I expect, because I drive it like a normal PH'er! And does a normal PH driver typically exceed 200 miles is a single stint? Maybe occasionally - but not enough to worry about.
Virtually everyone I have ever spoken to online or offline questions the range of EV's long before they actually question their own typical journey length. The average driver could potentially own an EV for several years and never wait for a charge to complete - unless they're a nervous sleeper that can't stop checking the app.
croyde said:
Someone said earlier 49p per kWh.
I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
Yes. Some even more. You don’t really care in reality as it’s so infrequent it still has a novelty factory for me and does very little for average cost per mile over a year anyway. 34mpg sounds great in my case for a 400bhp car if that’s the WORSE cases situation…I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
JonnyVTEC said:
croyde said:
Someone said earlier 49p per kWh.
I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
Yes. Some even more. You don’t really care in reality as it’s so infrequent it still has a novelty factory for me and does very little for average cost per mile over a year anyway. 34mpg sounds great in my case for a 400bhp car if that’s the WORSE cases situation…I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
JonnyVTEC said:
croyde said:
Someone said earlier 49p per kWh.
I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
Yes. Some even more. You don’t really care in reality as it’s so infrequent it still has a novelty factory for me and does very little for average cost per mile over a year anyway. 34mpg sounds great in my case for a 400bhp car if that’s the WORSE cases situation…I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
"Your 400 BHP, 2.5 ton, EV SUV only does the equivalent of 35MPG? My 200bhp, 1.5 ton, 2.0 Diesel does a lot better than that".
Often stated like it's some sort of revelation that completely undercuts the EV argument.
SWoll said:
JonnyVTEC said:
croyde said:
Someone said earlier 49p per kWh.
I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
Yes. Some even more. You don’t really care in reality as it’s so infrequent it still has a novelty factory for me and does very little for average cost per mile over a year anyway. 34mpg sounds great in my case for a 400bhp car if that’s the WORSE cases situation…I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
"Your 400 BHP, 2.5 ton, EV SUV only does the equivalent of 35MPG? My 200bhp, 1.5 ton, 2.0 Diesel does a lot better than that".
Often stated like it's some sort of revelation that completely undercuts the EV argument.
That's about £7 to full up my 400hp car that will then do 200 miles of carefree fun driving. So... By the same comparison that's 200mpg
Diderot said:
I’ve had our EV since July and only twice have I used a public charger. Likewise ours is 408bhp and I’m averaging about 3.4 m/kWh which I’m very happy with.
You must be driving everywhere like a vicar to be averaging 3.4 miles/kWh in a dual motor XC40 recharge? That's the best case scenario the manufacturer gives and far better than any independent test I've seen.TheDeuce said:
Indeed. And it's all nonsense anyway as the original comparison is based on 49p per kWh... Even with today's high electricity prices companies are still offering overnight home tariffs at 7p per kWh!
That's about £7 to full up my 400hp car that will then do 200 miles of carefree fun driving. So... By the same comparison that's 200mpg
I can see EDF offer such cheap overnight deals but without going through a full quote I can't see what the full price is.That's about £7 to full up my 400hp car that will then do 200 miles of carefree fun driving. So... By the same comparison that's 200mpg
If you go for these deals do you pay higher standing charges or much higher charges at day time so although you may not charge the car in the day, your other domestic charges maybe higher?
Currently I'm paying around 20p/kWh all day but I don't have an EV at the moment.
TheDeuce said:
SWoll said:
JonnyVTEC said:
croyde said:
Someone said earlier 49p per kWh.
I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
Yes. Some even more. You don’t really care in reality as it’s so infrequent it still has a novelty factory for me and does very little for average cost per mile over a year anyway. 34mpg sounds great in my case for a 400bhp car if that’s the WORSE cases situation…I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
"Your 400 BHP, 2.5 ton, EV SUV only does the equivalent of 35MPG? My 200bhp, 1.5 ton, 2.0 Diesel does a lot better than that".
Often stated like it's some sort of revelation that completely undercuts the EV argument.
That's about £7 to full up my 400hp car that will then do 200 miles of carefree fun driving. So... By the same comparison that's 200mpg
For me and many in London charging at home is just not possible. My family, my in laws, brother in law plus loads of my friends won’t be able to charge at home.
My issues with EV are the range, vampire drain and poor network of re charging.
We did 6 long drives last year all over 300 miles to some very remote places. Yes that’s not regularly but in all those journeys the max we stopped at a service station was 30 mins. Usually 15 mins max. Quick toilet stop and off we go and we have 2 under 4s. Service stations are always crap.
I know these things take time but I think I will keep my Saab V6 for a while longer at least. Yes it only does 35mpg on a steady run but even when making progress the mpg barely changes. Quick 4 min stop to fill the tank and off I go. If I leave it parked up for 10 days which occasionally I do I know it will have the same fuel as when I left it.
SWoll said:
Diderot said:
I’ve had our EV since July and only twice have I used a public charger. Likewise ours is 408bhp and I’m averaging about 3.4 m/kWh which I’m very happy with.
You must be driving everywhere like a vicar to be averaging 3.4 miles/kWh in a dual motor XC40 recharge? That's the best case scenario the manufacturer gives and far better than any independent test I've seen.
SWoll said:
What amuses me is the regular apples v oranges comparisons.
"Your 400 BHP, 2.5 ton, EV SUV only does the equivalent of 35MPG? My 200bhp, 1.5 ton, 2.0 Diesel does a lot better than that".
Often stated like it's some sort of revelation that completely undercuts the EV argument.
There’s a guy that comments on any of my videos about public charging saying his Smart diesel does 75mpg. No matter what car I’m in (none of which remotely comparable to a Smart diesel which I imagine makes you want to sandpaper your own eyes)"Your 400 BHP, 2.5 ton, EV SUV only does the equivalent of 35MPG? My 200bhp, 1.5 ton, 2.0 Diesel does a lot better than that".
Often stated like it's some sort of revelation that completely undercuts the EV argument.
Diderot said:
SWoll said:
Diderot said:
I’ve had our EV since July and only twice have I used a public charger. Likewise ours is 408bhp and I’m averaging about 3.4 m/kWh which I’m very happy with.
You must be driving everywhere like a vicar to be averaging 3.4 miles/kWh in a dual motor XC40 recharge? That's the best case scenario the manufacturer gives and far better than any independent test I've seen.Toaster Pilot said:
SWoll said:
What amuses me is the regular apples v oranges comparisons.
"Your 400 BHP, 2.5 ton, EV SUV only does the equivalent of 35MPG? My 200bhp, 1.5 ton, 2.0 Diesel does a lot better than that".
Often stated like it's some sort of revelation that completely undercuts the EV argument.
There’s a guy that comments on any of my videos about public charging saying his Smart diesel does 75mpg. No matter what car I’m in (none of which remotely comparable to a Smart diesel which I imagine makes you want to sandpaper your own eyes)"Your 400 BHP, 2.5 ton, EV SUV only does the equivalent of 35MPG? My 200bhp, 1.5 ton, 2.0 Diesel does a lot better than that".
Often stated like it's some sort of revelation that completely undercuts the EV argument.
God love em, but some people really are a bit thick.
Diderot said:
Actually just been out to check, and it’s at 2.9 at the moment. So I’ll have to tell her to go easy
Still good going for this time of year. Our eTron is managing about 2.3, but gets driven as with any previous ICE car and is quite a big girl. Edited by SWoll on Sunday 23 January 11:51
SWoll said:
JonnyVTEC said:
croyde said:
Someone said earlier 49p per kWh.
I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
Yes. Some even more. You don’t really care in reality as it’s so infrequent it still has a novelty factory for me and does very little for average cost per mile over a year anyway. 34mpg sounds great in my case for a 400bhp car if that’s the WORSE cases situation…I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
"Your 400 BHP, 2.5 ton, EV SUV only does the equivalent of 35MPG? My 200bhp, 1.5 ton, 2.0 Diesel does a lot better than that".
Often stated like it's some sort of revelation that completely undercuts the EV argument.
Aiminghigh123 said:
TheDeuce said:
SWoll said:
JonnyVTEC said:
croyde said:
Someone said earlier 49p per kWh.
I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
Yes. Some even more. You don’t really care in reality as it’s so infrequent it still has a novelty factory for me and does very little for average cost per mile over a year anyway. 34mpg sounds great in my case for a 400bhp car if that’s the WORSE cases situation…I was watching 5th Gear on Quest the other night. They've gone all electric.
Vicky Butler Henderson was getting admonished by the younger presenter as she was only getting 2.5 miles to the kWh whilst they were driving the NC500 in an Ioniq.
That's about 34mpg equivalent. Awful really.
My petrol car did about 50mpg on a similar drive up in the Highlands and I wasn't worrying about driving gently.
Of course if you can charge at home you'll be doing far better than me but unless you live in Scotland that's a moot point.
Do all the forecourt chargers cost that much?
"Your 400 BHP, 2.5 ton, EV SUV only does the equivalent of 35MPG? My 200bhp, 1.5 ton, 2.0 Diesel does a lot better than that".
Often stated like it's some sort of revelation that completely undercuts the EV argument.
That's about £7 to full up my 400hp car that will then do 200 miles of carefree fun driving. So... By the same comparison that's 200mpg
For me and many in London charging at home is just not possible. My family, my in laws, brother in law plus loads of my friends won’t be able to charge at home.
My issues with EV are the range, vampire drain and poor network of re charging.
We did 6 long drives last year all over 300 miles to some very remote places. Yes that’s not regularly but in all those journeys the max we stopped at a service station was 30 mins. Usually 15 mins max. Quick toilet stop and off we go and we have 2 under 4s. Service stations are always crap.
I know these things take time but I think I will keep my Saab V6 for a while longer at least. Yes it only does 35mpg on a steady run but even when making progress the mpg barely changes. Quick 4 min stop to fill the tank and off I go. If I leave it parked up for 10 days which occasionally I do I know it will have the same fuel as when I left it.
300 mile journeys with a 30 minute break are fine in an EV with 250+ mile range. That's pretty much the target for all new EV's other than city cars. At worst on basic 50kw charger a person might have to wait an extra ten minutes to make sure of range. No big deal vs 20-40 tedious petrol station fill ups per year.
Vampire drain is minimal. Yes some people without the ability to charge at home will struggle until solutions are in place - but no one has suggested otherwise. This is a very big change and it will take time to work for everyone. Broadband took over a decade to find its way to remote villages...
I think it's best to focus on the actual problems to be solved - not dramatise non issues such as range or charge times, which in most cases really is a non issue.
There's a factor which I haven't seen mentioned in discussions about range: the minimum residual at the end of a trip.
If there a second car or little likelihood of needing to go back out soon after returning home then it's not an issue. However, if that need is a real possibility then it would impact charging requirements.
In my case I keep my ICE fuel level above 100 miles so I can get straight on the road to my elderly father when called and do any running about that's needed without having to stop. Running an EV that way would be impractical, aiui.
No doubt this is a rare situation but it would apply to anyone who can be called out with little or no notice.
If there a second car or little likelihood of needing to go back out soon after returning home then it's not an issue. However, if that need is a real possibility then it would impact charging requirements.
In my case I keep my ICE fuel level above 100 miles so I can get straight on the road to my elderly father when called and do any running about that's needed without having to stop. Running an EV that way would be impractical, aiui.
No doubt this is a rare situation but it would apply to anyone who can be called out with little or no notice.
Mikehig said:
There's a factor which I haven't seen mentioned in discussions about range: the minimum residual at the end of a trip.
If there a second car or little likelihood of needing to go back out soon after returning home then it's not an issue. However, if that need is a real possibility then it would impact charging requirements.
In my case I keep my ICE fuel level above 100 miles so I can get straight on the road to my elderly father when called and do any running about that's needed without having to stop. Running an EV that way would be impractical, aiui.
No doubt this is a rare situation but it would apply to anyone who can be called out with little or no notice.
I mean it’s a rather unbelievable situation - surely if you had an EV you’d just plug it in as soon as you got home and the 25 miles per hour charge rate would be sufficient? If there a second car or little likelihood of needing to go back out soon after returning home then it's not an issue. However, if that need is a real possibility then it would impact charging requirements.
In my case I keep my ICE fuel level above 100 miles so I can get straight on the road to my elderly father when called and do any running about that's needed without having to stop. Running an EV that way would be impractical, aiui.
No doubt this is a rare situation but it would apply to anyone who can be called out with little or no notice.
…. And in the VERY rare situation it isn’t, the fuel station being discussed in this thread would provide the solution ?
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