Organisations unable to ever fully adopt electric vehicles
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DickyC said:
The armed forces cannot go fully electric.
Go talk to a submariner - IC engines don't work to well underwater so a fully electric power-plant has always been used.The Germans even have fuel cell powered submarines in service that can operate for a couple of weeks underwater.
disago said:
DickyC said:
A lengthy emergency or terrorist attack
I saw that movie!!Real life will be way more boring, it’ll be entirely avoidable under-investment eating safety margins slowly over the years, tipped over the edge by a human messing up one day. Operational error is all but guaranteed.
DickyC said:
would make the use of fully electric vehicles unworkable.
Petrol, diesel, hydrogen and lpg too! The massive electric pumps in the refineries, and the wee ones on the petrol forecourts need to be workingDickyC said:
I wonder if the drive towards fully electric vehicles is a political move
Oh, here we go. You’ve had too much internet. You’re drunk on the stuff. Go for a walk :-)Anyway, where do you stand on the proposition that some organisations will be unable to ever fully adopt the electric vehicle?
DickyC said:
Anyway, where do you stand on the proposition that some organisations will be unable to ever fully adopt the electric vehicle?
Some bloke on the internet who has no power over such decisions said something about something and there was.. ohh I don’t know i tuned out to be honest.But nothing changed, that was the point i think. What was going to happen still happened.
LAPD bought a fleet of i3’s a few years ago and reportedly, it worked well for them. They weren’t used as response cars, which makes sense. Recently dumped them, but the experiment was regarded as fair.
I believe other PD’s are trialing EV’s too, mainly for the running costs and minimal servicing, but here I can’t see them being response vehicles for a long time. Crown Vic’s have been retired for a few years now, but they were cheap to run for years - body panels, servicing etc. now replaced by the Explorer for most departments and again easy to repair (allegedly not so cheap to run though). But EV’s are a long way off these requirement at the moment.
Costs are the thing and performance is largely not their biggest point. You can’t run faster than a radio! Let’s see what happens, but EV’s for response vehicles aren’t here yet.
I believe other PD’s are trialing EV’s too, mainly for the running costs and minimal servicing, but here I can’t see them being response vehicles for a long time. Crown Vic’s have been retired for a few years now, but they were cheap to run for years - body panels, servicing etc. now replaced by the Explorer for most departments and again easy to repair (allegedly not so cheap to run though). But EV’s are a long way off these requirement at the moment.
Costs are the thing and performance is largely not their biggest point. You can’t run faster than a radio! Let’s see what happens, but EV’s for response vehicles aren’t here yet.
DonkeyApple said:
bristolracer said:
Not everything has to go electric
Just a significant amount of personal and commercial transport, there will always be exceptions.
Half the developing world will still be using ICE for many years after we have gone electric.
The reality is that we probably won't even need to legally enforce 2035 for private vehicles as by then an EV will be cheaper to buy than an ICE so 95% of users will simply swap over. And as you observe, it's only a handful of countries that are moving to EV ahead of them being the cheaper option. It'll take a step change in the ability to store electricity before any of the other countries will get the process underway. Just a significant amount of personal and commercial transport, there will always be exceptions.
Half the developing world will still be using ICE for many years after we have gone electric.
Chris32345 said:
Pretty easily artificial fuel's
Not so easy that they currently exist though. There's a lot of hype about artificial fuels but the reality is really very different. It's easy to split long chain polymers but immensely difficult to create them. Over the next 50 years, if we had to place a bet as to which will happen first, viable synth fuel or cracking the energy storage problem, it's going to be the latter.
The only reason we use fossil fuels today and the only reason why any money is being invested in trying to find a way to synthesis some form of equivalent energy store is solely a function of our abject failure to create efficient batteries to date. The best we have so far is an evolution of the Victorian chemical brick. It remains big, heavy and with very low energy density.
Are we going to crack that problem in the next 50 years? It seems very likely. And the result of cracking that problem? All other forms of energy storage will be rendered redundant.
The military aspect of trying to be low CO2 when killing people is an interesting one. To ensure you are as efficient as you can be at the killing or to minimise the chance of being killed, the equipment mustn't ever be hindered by energy supply issues. Running a tank on batteries won't happen for a very long time because of you have to ship diesel to the front line to run the generators to recharge the tank you'd actually be one of the biggest f
ktards of all time not to realise that you could just skip the generator step and pour the diesel into the tank and get back to killing as efficiently as possible. It's the same kind of f
ktard broken thinking behind the big hydrogen delusion. That someone will take electricity that can already be used to fuel a car in the most efficient manner and for some reason, use it instead to crack water, lose 25% of it and end up with hydrogen that is extremely difficult to distribute and store and to then convert it back to electricity in a highly inefficient personal hydrolysis machine attached to a car that could just run on the electricity you had in the first place and would have been cheaper to buy. And even then it's all moot as the only idiots who actually think that's ever going to happen are old and will be long dead before the last petrol station closes in the U.K. All we're going to do is convert as much stuff over to electric as humanly possible and keep running the remainder on fossil fuels until they can change. None of which stands in the way of any 2035 or 2050 political mumbo jumbo.
What is it about anti-electric car idiots? Why do they feel so threatened that they have to make up utterly stupid and patently false "reasons" why BEVs won't work?
And for the sake of completeness, in the case of a large grid outage, a BEV that can be recharged from a local wind turbine or solar panel is actually likely to be the last thing moving, because the entire petrol fuel chain requires massive amounts of electricity to work, from pumping crude off ships and rigs, to refining it, and of course to pumping it into the tank of the vehicle being filled!
Take the film Mad Max, where they all drive around the very sunny desert killing each other for fuel, when a couple of solar panels and an EV would have given them total mobility in that scenario.....
And for the sake of completeness, in the case of a large grid outage, a BEV that can be recharged from a local wind turbine or solar panel is actually likely to be the last thing moving, because the entire petrol fuel chain requires massive amounts of electricity to work, from pumping crude off ships and rigs, to refining it, and of course to pumping it into the tank of the vehicle being filled!
Take the film Mad Max, where they all drive around the very sunny desert killing each other for fuel, when a couple of solar panels and an EV would have given them total mobility in that scenario.....
It doesn’t matter, there will never ever be a world without oil, there will never be a world where everything is 100% electric and thst doesn’t matter, if the majority of everyday cars are electric then the pollution levels especially in cities plummet. It’s simple. Look at the great western line, electric from London to Cardiff, then diesel to harverford west where the poultion levels aren’t high.
The world will never not use oil, oil is used for so much more than petrol and diesel, think of everything it lubricates and every one of its bi products.
A local Bobby will be able to have a EV, a ARV can still be diesel, or diesel electric.
The world will never not use oil, oil is used for so much more than petrol and diesel, think of everything it lubricates and every one of its bi products.
A local Bobby will be able to have a EV, a ARV can still be diesel, or diesel electric.
Nickbrapp said:
It doesn’t matter, there will never ever be a world without oil, there will never be a world where everything is 100% electric and thst doesn’t matter, if the majority of everyday cars are electric then the pollution levels especially in cities plummet. It’s simple. Look at the great western line, electric from London to Cardiff, then diesel to harverford west where the poultion levels aren’t high.
The world will never not use oil, oil is used for so much more than petrol and diesel, think of everything it lubricates and every one of its bi products.
A local Bobby will be able to have a EV, a ARV can still be diesel, or diesel electric.
Ummm, you know it’s finite right?The world will never not use oil, oil is used for so much more than petrol and diesel, think of everything it lubricates and every one of its bi products.
A local Bobby will be able to have a EV, a ARV can still be diesel, or diesel electric.
Max_Torque said:
What is it about anti-electric car idiots? Why do they feel so threatened that they have to make up utterly stupid and patently false "reasons" why BEVs won't work?
And for the sake of completeness, in the case of a large grid outage, a BEV that can be recharged from a local wind turbine or solar panel is actually likely to be the last thing moving, because the entire petrol fuel chain requires massive amounts of electricity to work, from pumping crude off ships and rigs, to refining it, and of course to pumping it into the tank of the vehicle being filled!
Take the film Mad Max, where they all drive around the very sunny desert killing each other for fuel, when a couple of solar panels and an EV would have given them total mobility in that scenario.....
No anti electric car idiots here as far as I can see. The proposition is about fully adopting electric vehicles as the UK government seems to want. I can't see it happening. I'd like one but I'll keep a petrol engined car as well for as long as I'm permitted. Then I can run with the hare and hunt with the hounds. Marvellous. And for the sake of completeness, in the case of a large grid outage, a BEV that can be recharged from a local wind turbine or solar panel is actually likely to be the last thing moving, because the entire petrol fuel chain requires massive amounts of electricity to work, from pumping crude off ships and rigs, to refining it, and of course to pumping it into the tank of the vehicle being filled!
Take the film Mad Max, where they all drive around the very sunny desert killing each other for fuel, when a couple of solar panels and an EV would have given them total mobility in that scenario.....
Dingu said:
Nickbrapp said:
Dingu said:
Ummm, you know it’s finite right?
So is the sun, but no one worries about thatUltimately, the real reason for the U.K. to transition away from fossil fuels can be seen all too clearly today. We are net importers of dollar denominated energy now and have zero control on either the price of the product or the currency it is priced in. The price of petrol at the pump is dependent upon US military blockades of South American supplies, US economic sanctions Persian supplies and US military influence on ME supplies. And if it's not a reliance on the US it's the decrepit remnants of the Russian State or some third world, equatorial turd pit.
The days of NSG are over. The U.K. being 75% biased to natural gas is a legacy of a domestic reserve that no longer exists.
We don't want to be having to import such excessive amounts of NG nor oil. If we can boost domestic renewables high enough then we disconnect from the USD exposure and much of the macro political toxicity of oil.
And ironically, when it comes to fearing terrorist attacks the stats show the issue lies with oil supplies overseas as opposed to domestic.
DonkeyApple said:
There's enough oil and sunlight for everyone living today so whether one runs out in 100 or 4bn years is moot. .
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