Will you go back to ICE?
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Endless people pop up in these forums to explain why EV is hopeless for them. I was in that camp for a while..
But how many that have gone to the dark side would come back? I'm guessing the majority would not. As I type this I see diesel is nearly £1.80 in some areas!
Discuss your experience living with EV, with or without a second ICE car.
But how many that have gone to the dark side would come back? I'm guessing the majority would not. As I type this I see diesel is nearly £1.80 in some areas!
Discuss your experience living with EV, with or without a second ICE car.
It depends. I buy a car for the use, not the propulsion method. I wouldn't buy a petrol 4x4, I wouldn't buy an electric sports car, and I wouldn't buy a diesel runabout.
We have recently moved and are without a charger so back to the 3-pin plug for the i3 while we decide whether to keep it. I still like it, and it still has a use case at the new house, but I'm not sure if a petrol vehicle might be a better option given a) rural, muddy and poor quality roads with regular snow, and b) regular power outages through the winter storms. If it survives the rest of the winter, we'll probably keep it.
We have recently moved and are without a charger so back to the 3-pin plug for the i3 while we decide whether to keep it. I still like it, and it still has a use case at the new house, but I'm not sure if a petrol vehicle might be a better option given a) rural, muddy and poor quality roads with regular snow, and b) regular power outages through the winter storms. If it survives the rest of the winter, we'll probably keep it.
LimaDelta said:
It depends. I buy a car for the use, not the propulsion method. I wouldn't buy a petrol 4x4, I wouldn't buy an electric sports car, and I wouldn't buy a diesel runabout.
We have recently moved and are without a charger so back to the 3-pin plug for the i3 while we decide whether to keep it. I still like it, and it still has a use case at the new house, but I'm not sure if a petrol vehicle might be a better option given a) rural, muddy and poor quality roads with regular snow, and b) regular power outages through the winter storms. If it survives the rest of the winter, we'll probably keep it.
My EV is AWD and I've actually really enjoyed it in the winter. Being able to pre-heat it rather than go out and defrost it is a major plus! Also instant heat as opposed to the old diesel that took about 20 miles to get warmed up. And in fact the rough nature of a very cold ICE car.We have recently moved and are without a charger so back to the 3-pin plug for the i3 while we decide whether to keep it. I still like it, and it still has a use case at the new house, but I'm not sure if a petrol vehicle might be a better option given a) rural, muddy and poor quality roads with regular snow, and b) regular power outages through the winter storms. If it survives the rest of the winter, we'll probably keep it.
Granted, if you lose power often that's going to be a factor!
Nope. Never.
Drove an ICE hire car before Christmas - what's with all the noise, and the faffing around with left foot and left hand, and the vibrations, and the non-linear throttle response, and queueing up to put energy in it (and that energy is messy and smelly), and the fumes and pollution, and all the messing around in stop/start traffic ...
Drove an ICE hire car before Christmas - what's with all the noise, and the faffing around with left foot and left hand, and the vibrations, and the non-linear throttle response, and queueing up to put energy in it (and that energy is messy and smelly), and the fumes and pollution, and all the messing around in stop/start traffic ...
I’ve had a Tesla model 3 from15 months and 17,000 miles. Great car, fully recommend it. But now I don’t do as many miles, I am thinking about selling it and buying a used 911.
Perhaps buy an older i3 for supermarket runs etc.
Even in my short ownership window, I have noticed the Tesla supercharger network get much busier. I wonder if the infrastructure will start to creak as time goes on.
But like I say, really enjoyed it, and it still might stay. Soaring petrol prices might be interesting for ICE values in coming months.
Perhaps buy an older i3 for supermarket runs etc.
Even in my short ownership window, I have noticed the Tesla supercharger network get much busier. I wonder if the infrastructure will start to creak as time goes on.
But like I say, really enjoyed it, and it still might stay. Soaring petrol prices might be interesting for ICE values in coming months.
We have two cars
One Petrol convertible sit in garage rarely use, mostly by myself
One PHEV replacing our old i3 for groceries run and family trips
I am happy to keep both and they serve their purpose. We are going to replace the PHEV with a longer range EV when the contract end. I would not go back to ICE on the family car, as EV just do a better job.
My petrol convertible will eventually be replaced by a EV if there is small EV that are sporty enough for my liking. I was thinking about the wankel RX-7 earlier but given the fuel price will only keep going up, the higher running cost of ICE, and I had run enough “fun” ICE in my early life, E36 328i, FK2, 306, Golf GTI, E93 335i. This Petrol convertible would probably my last ICE.
If we can only keep one car then it will be an EV probably the BMW i4, probably the “jack of all trade” EV at the moment.
One Petrol convertible sit in garage rarely use, mostly by myself
One PHEV replacing our old i3 for groceries run and family trips
I am happy to keep both and they serve their purpose. We are going to replace the PHEV with a longer range EV when the contract end. I would not go back to ICE on the family car, as EV just do a better job.
My petrol convertible will eventually be replaced by a EV if there is small EV that are sporty enough for my liking. I was thinking about the wankel RX-7 earlier but given the fuel price will only keep going up, the higher running cost of ICE, and I had run enough “fun” ICE in my early life, E36 328i, FK2, 306, Golf GTI, E93 335i. This Petrol convertible would probably my last ICE.
If we can only keep one car then it will be an EV probably the BMW i4, probably the “jack of all trade” EV at the moment.
Not as a daily driver. ICE just don't do anything right.
Even DSG gearboxes are clunky and hopeless. I don't need engine noise from anything that's economical. I don't want to go to petrol stations. I like having my car defrosted in the morning. I don't mind finding a rapid charger on a journey.
Even DSG gearboxes are clunky and hopeless. I don't need engine noise from anything that's economical. I don't want to go to petrol stations. I like having my car defrosted in the morning. I don't mind finding a rapid charger on a journey.
I agree with the general view so far. An electric motor is simply superior in terms of powering a car, it's a better solution to the problem and far less complex. Going back to ICE would feel like a genuine step back.
There definitely remains an argument for ICE in terms of sportscars (for now) but as a daily... No way.
There definitely remains an argument for ICE in terms of sportscars (for now) but as a daily... No way.
Had a number of EVs over 7 years now, it used to be the "main" car (as it should be as the P900DL we had was £100k), we went touring in Scotland, been to Italy in it, the second car was a petrol convertible and a bit of fun
In the last year or so switched around completely. And now have an EV for the local runaround, and have a nice petrol car for long distance stuff and special occasions. We're heading to scotland again soon and will be taking the ICE
It doesn't matter how good the range is and how good the charging infrastructure is, and our current EV is a Tesla Model 3 Long range so few cars have better on both fronts, it's still a constant consideration when travelling anywhere new to be working out where the next charge will come from. Sure if you have a predefined route and there's a supercharger on route then a routine gets established, we're off to silverstone next week and will take the EV, about 200 mile round trip but I know all the chargers between here and there and its not exactly an imposition to stop if I needed to for 15 mins while passing one. But it felt truly liberating when we went away to the cotswolds in the ICE and drive around for 4 days and didn't have to think once about when and where we might need to charge, nor factor in a 2 hour round trip to a rapid charger to fill up, nor limit the accomodation to those that would let us charge, or look and pray for a charger on every car park.
Would I be without an EV for the local stuff? No, not really, but thats where they're most at home.
This topic has been done before on here.
In the last year or so switched around completely. And now have an EV for the local runaround, and have a nice petrol car for long distance stuff and special occasions. We're heading to scotland again soon and will be taking the ICE
It doesn't matter how good the range is and how good the charging infrastructure is, and our current EV is a Tesla Model 3 Long range so few cars have better on both fronts, it's still a constant consideration when travelling anywhere new to be working out where the next charge will come from. Sure if you have a predefined route and there's a supercharger on route then a routine gets established, we're off to silverstone next week and will take the EV, about 200 mile round trip but I know all the chargers between here and there and its not exactly an imposition to stop if I needed to for 15 mins while passing one. But it felt truly liberating when we went away to the cotswolds in the ICE and drive around for 4 days and didn't have to think once about when and where we might need to charge, nor factor in a 2 hour round trip to a rapid charger to fill up, nor limit the accomodation to those that would let us charge, or look and pray for a charger on every car park.
Would I be without an EV for the local stuff? No, not really, but thats where they're most at home.
This topic has been done before on here.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Sunday 6th March 14:35
Lol and the instant impact from owning a Tesla is to go out and buy a 911,
Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
LukeBrown66 said:
Lol and the instant impact from owning a Tesla is to go out and buy a 911,
Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
On a short 30 mile Sunday morning cycle I saw dozens of electric cars. It's mid Glamorgan, there are no local emissions controls on car ownership, it's a reasonably wealthy county but only by Welsh standards.
There are MGs starting in mid-20k and cheaper models on the way. There were early Leafs around £8k until the second hand market exploded. Battery EV sales are now approaching 20% of all new car registrations. In 2-5 years the second hand market will be full of them.
LukeBrown66 said:
Lol and the instant impact from owning a Tesla is to go out and buy a 911,
Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
I’ve been off here a while and I’ve missed your chip on the shoulder posts. Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
I did more than 1,000 miles a month in the last 17 months. I am not doing those miles now.
If I sell the Tesla for around 5k depreciation, then I can use that money towards a 911.
There are plenty of cheap second hand Evs.
LukeBrown66 said:
Lol and the instant impact from owning a Tesla is to go out and buy a 911,
Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
In reality you can lease an EV for £150 a month and it'll recover most of that in fuel savings compared to the sort of car 'poor' people would consider affordable to buy.Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
And it's a new car, not an old shed.
TheDeuce said:
In reality you can lease an EV for £150 a month and it'll recover most of that in fuel savings compared to the sort of car 'poor' people would consider affordable to buy.
And it's a new car, not an old shed.
Yep - I'm continually being told on here (and other forums) that I'm mad to "buy" my car - I should lease, nobody "buys" a car any more......And it's a new car, not an old shed.
....except for some reason, this doesn't apply when the argument is for EVs, when miraculously "they're too expensive"
Well I had an EV that I didn’t replace because I stopped using it as I got bored with it so I guess “yes” to the original question. It’s more complicated than EV vs ICE as I think the thread shows. There are crap EVs and there is plenty of crap ICE but there is plenty of ICE that is far superior to EVs so depending on where you are on that spectrum I guess you choose accordingly. I’m pretty sure my ICE cars are the cheapest in terms of TCO seeing as they’re going up in value, which was not exactly what I expected but also means I can’t be bothered changing them.
But EVs will only get better so I’m checking them out every so often to see where we’re at. There’s no FOMO or YOLO when it comes to EVs so waiting is not a bad strategy in my opinion. If I were chucking large sums of money into fuelling some diesel car then I would no doubt buy an EV now. I think EVs work best as diesel replacements as in where the drivetrain doesn’t matter.
But EVs will only get better so I’m checking them out every so often to see where we’re at. There’s no FOMO or YOLO when it comes to EVs so waiting is not a bad strategy in my opinion. If I were chucking large sums of money into fuelling some diesel car then I would no doubt buy an EV now. I think EVs work best as diesel replacements as in where the drivetrain doesn’t matter.
JonChalk said:
TheDeuce said:
In reality you can lease an EV for £150 a month and it'll recover most of that in fuel savings compared to the sort of car 'poor' people would consider affordable to buy.
And it's a new car, not an old shed.
Yep - I'm continually being told on here (and other forums) that I'm mad to "buy" my car - I should lease, nobody "buys" a car any more......And it's a new car, not an old shed.
....except for some reason, this doesn't apply when the argument is for EVs, when miraculously "they're too expensive"
What these people mean is that they want a 100k EV but they can't afford one. Thats all very sad but not exactly the fault of EVs in general
They also can't afford a 100k ICE car.
I'd definitely rather pay to run a 100k EV given the choice though. Like for like the running costs for an ICE car that has several hundred horsepower is a very different ballgame.
LukeBrown66 said:
Lol and the instant impact from owning a Tesla is to go out and buy a 911,
Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
We've been through this before, although I see you've changed your tack from "only for the rich" to "not for the poor".Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
BTW, saying something will NEVER be available, and then giving a timescale for when it will is an oxymoron.
LukeBrown66 said:
Lol and the instant impact from owning a Tesla is to go out and buy a 911,
Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
Should have tried harder at school. Now we see why these types of cars will NEVER be available for at least 15 years to the poor.
the real world is never going to be occupied by these things, we will however be on electric buses, trains etc as we will be blackmailed, taxed and priced out of ordinary cars
TheDeuce said:
In reality you can lease an EV for £150 a month and it'll recover most of that in fuel savings compared to the sort of car 'poor' people would consider affordable to buy.
And it's a new car, not an old shed.
Where can you lease an EV for £150 a month in the current market? And it's a new car, not an old shed.
There were some e-Ups around for a little more than that for a while but I’m pretty sure they’ve gone. Something like an e-Corsa is £320 or so.
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