Will you go back to ICE?
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TheDeuce said:
What these people mean is that they want a 100k EV but they can't afford one.
This is kinda where I’m at right now. I want an e-Tron 55 but stupid things like moving to a bigger house are getting in the way of that. Back to shedding in a diesel barge until things settle down a bit, sadly.
We've one low/mid priced EV and a 'premium' diesel SUV, all being we will add a manual petrol sports car.
Each does a job but what excites me in the future is EV sports cars. Sure there is no induction or exhaust noise, but I am certain someone like Lotus are going to make something that handles well, goes like s
t off a shovel, has enough range, and charges quickly enough to be useable on trackdays and tours. That feels a long way off though.
Each does a job but what excites me in the future is EV sports cars. Sure there is no induction or exhaust noise, but I am certain someone like Lotus are going to make something that handles well, goes like s
t off a shovel, has enough range, and charges quickly enough to be useable on trackdays and tours. That feels a long way off though.Toaster Pilot said:
Where can you lease an EV for £150 a month in the current market?
There were some e-Ups around for a little more than that for a while but I’m pretty sure they’ve gone. Something like an e-Corsa is £320 or so.
£200 a month with no deposit and 5k miles. £220 a month for 10k miles.There were some e-Ups around for a little more than that for a while but I’m pretty sure they’ve gone. Something like an e-Corsa is £320 or so.
Corsa E can be had for about £260 on the same terms.in Elite Premium spec.
Edited by SWoll on Sunday 6th March 17:08
Toaster Pilot said:
TheDeuce said:
What these people mean is that they want a 100k EV but they can't afford one.
This is kinda where I’m at right now. I want an e-Tron 55 but stupid things like moving to a bigger house are getting in the way of that. Back to shedding in a diesel barge until things settle down a bit, sadly.
SWoll said:
Toaster Pilot said:
Where can you lease an EV for £150 a month in the current market?
There were some e-Ups around for a little more than that for a while but I’m pretty sure they’ve gone. Something like an e-Corsa is £320 or so.
£200 a month with no deposit and 5k miles. £220 a month for 10k miles.There were some e-Ups around for a little more than that for a while but I’m pretty sure they’ve gone. Something like an e-Corsa is £320 or so.
TheDeuce said:
SWoll said:
Toaster Pilot said:
Where can you lease an EV for £150 a month in the current market?
There were some e-Ups around for a little more than that for a while but I’m pretty sure they’ve gone. Something like an e-Corsa is £320 or so.
£200 a month with no deposit and 5k miles. £220 a month for 10k miles.There were some e-Ups around for a little more than that for a while but I’m pretty sure they’ve gone. Something like an e-Corsa is £320 or so.
TheDeuce said:
Cars like the BMW i4 are starting to appear that offer plenty of fun and practicality at a reasonable price - or at least a price within reach of most people that really want one. Getting one is a different matter of course, all the hottest new EV's have crazy wait times right now.
Your definition of 'reasonably priced' and 'plenty of fun' are rather different to mine. 
SWoll said:
TheDeuce said:
Cars like the BMW i4 are starting to appear that offer plenty of fun and practicality at a reasonable price - or at least a price within reach of most people that really want one. Getting one is a different matter of course, all the hottest new EV's have crazy wait times right now.
Your definition of 'reasonably priced' and 'plenty of fun' are rather different to mine. If you want cheap and fun in general I suppose you need an old boxster or similar. Or outside the world of cars, a low rent hooker
MuscleSedan said:
£10k to do 20k miles over a 4 year lease then hand it back.
How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
Add up the cost of running the ice car including depreciation and it makes sense to have the brand new car - or at least it would if used cars weren't crazy expensive right now.How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
Depends on usage etc of course. I wouldn't say everyone should have an EV but I would say everyone should be open minded enough to do the maths and see what is actually best value overall.
75K miles and 7 years with the EV been our 'main' family car. Zero chance of not having an EV as our main car, also very little chance we'll be without our petrol-hybrid as our second car mainly because we cannot afford to change either cars probably for the next 5 years+, so actually both car will probably only be replaced when they become uneconomical to maintain longterm, given one is 5 years old and the other 7 years old I think I can truly say am 'done' with changing cars for the next decade!!!
No issues with owning either longterm though, the cost refuelling both have gone up noticeably recently but there isn't much anyone can do about it, the hybrid will still be running well come 2040 if needed, the EV I'll wait and see.
No issues with owning either longterm though, the cost refuelling both have gone up noticeably recently but there isn't much anyone can do about it, the hybrid will still be running well come 2040 if needed, the EV I'll wait and see.
MuscleSedan said:
£10k to do 20k miles over a 4 year lease then hand it back.
How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
You can get ICE for £50 a month less. 5k miles a year is 400 miles a month, I bet there’s not much in it cost wise. How many people are jumping into Dacia Sondero or Kia Picante?How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
A few years ago my commute was a 90 mile round trip, so I got a an i3 rex. Then I changed job and commute dropped to 25 mile round trip, so I took the opportunity to get a 3 litre v6.
Now I'm back on a longer commute but only part of the week, and in a 2.0 4 cylinder diesel. I suspect I'll be in an electric next. Although having said that, the rising cost of new cars may well keep me in the diesel for a good few years yet!
The electric really did lack character compared to the v6, but I'd much, much rather have electric than my current diesel. Effortless and smooth drive train of an ev is amazing. That's the biggest benefit for me. And i suppose the fuel savings, if you do enough miles to make the man maths work.
Now I'm back on a longer commute but only part of the week, and in a 2.0 4 cylinder diesel. I suspect I'll be in an electric next. Although having said that, the rising cost of new cars may well keep me in the diesel for a good few years yet!
The electric really did lack character compared to the v6, but I'd much, much rather have electric than my current diesel. Effortless and smooth drive train of an ev is amazing. That's the biggest benefit for me. And i suppose the fuel savings, if you do enough miles to make the man maths work.
Edited by covmutley on Sunday 6th March 19:26
Heres Johnny said:
MuscleSedan said:
£10k to do 20k miles over a 4 year lease then hand it back.
How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
You can get ICE for £50 a month less. 5k miles a year is 400 miles a month, I bet there’s not much in it cost wise. How many people are jumping into Dacia Sondero or Kia Picante?How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
As a town car I mean, which is what we're comparing here at this price point.
TheDeuce said:
Heres Johnny said:
MuscleSedan said:
£10k to do 20k miles over a 4 year lease then hand it back.
How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
You can get ICE for £50 a month less. 5k miles a year is 400 miles a month, I bet there’s not much in it cost wise. How many people are jumping into Dacia Sondero or Kia Picante?How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
As a town car I mean, which is what we're comparing here at this price point.
We have 1 EV and 1 Hot hatch.
Currently work are going to be offering charging points. It’s tempting to go fully EV.
Given Tesco 99 is like £1.60 and looking at the MPG of 25 it’s costing nearly £7 per day to commute.
Christ knows the cost if we do another 2200 mile road trip in the summer @ 37mpg
Currently work are going to be offering charging points. It’s tempting to go fully EV.
Given Tesco 99 is like £1.60 and looking at the MPG of 25 it’s costing nearly £7 per day to commute.
Christ knows the cost if we do another 2200 mile road trip in the summer @ 37mpg
Heres Johnny said:
TheDeuce said:
Heres Johnny said:
MuscleSedan said:
£10k to do 20k miles over a 4 year lease then hand it back.
How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
You can get ICE for £50 a month less. 5k miles a year is 400 miles a month, I bet there’s not much in it cost wise. How many people are jumping into Dacia Sondero or Kia Picante?How many would jump out of their current small ICE car to do that ?
As a town car I mean, which is what we're comparing here at this price point.
Not really my type of car regardless
Personally will always have a place in our household for an EV. In our case like most people it’s company owned so 1% BIK makes it a no brainer. We also have a Macan which came in handy last week when we did 3000 miles driving across Europe at short notice, something I would never of considered in the EV.
If the tax advantage was taken away and I was paying I would be thinking twice about the value of the EV.
If the tax advantage was taken away and I was paying I would be thinking twice about the value of the EV.
Downward said:
We have 1 EV and 1 Hot hatch.
Currently work are going to be offering charging points. It’s tempting to go fully EV.
Check what they might charge you - my work decided they needed to charge to avoid any tax issues. Some of their chargers are 7kw, some 3kw, and some started at 7kw and halved if someone plugged into the second port. Currently work are going to be offering charging points. It’s tempting to go fully EV.
Works out half the cost to charge at home, quarter if I got unlucky on output.
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