Will you go back to ICE?
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South tdf said:
Personally will always have a place in our household for an EV. In our case like most people it’s company owned so 1% BIK makes it a no brainer. We also have a Macan which came in handy last week when we did 3000 miles driving across Europe at short notice, something I would never of considered in the EV.
If the tax advantage was taken away and I was paying I would be thinking twice about the value of the EV.
I'm also in the 1% bik camp and it was a no brainer. But now I'm used to it I don't want to go back... I'm hopeful the BIK will scale back up to normal levels over many years rather than jump up, I'm sure anyone in our position hopes for the same! But if it were to take a hike I think I'd still make it work financially. It's been two years now and I really don't want to go back to the petrol station or back to ICE crudeness for the daily drive.If the tax advantage was taken away and I was paying I would be thinking twice about the value of the EV.
TheDeuce said:
Discuss your experience living with EV, with or without a second ICE car.
I have two ICE and a Tesla. I use the Tesla for everything - commuting (160 mile round trip) and general running around. No problems to report - I like it... quick, quiet and silly cheap to run. It does everything I need it to, very comfortable too.Down the road I am expecting a price per mile charge as the exchequer is losing a fortune in lost taxation. I expect the EV will still be cheaper than petrol.
In the summer I am taking a sub 20mpg V8 to the the south of France. That's going to be expensive.
Would I abandon ICE altogether? I might do, I'd like the Tesla Roadster, so could go fully EV. But won't if legislation starts making the car report charging and motoring stats to the elec companies, government, police etc
NDA said:
TheDeuce said:
Discuss your experience living with EV, with or without a second ICE car.
I have two ICE and a Tesla. I use the Tesla for everything - commuting (160 mile round trip) and general running around. No problems to report - I like it... quick, quiet and silly cheap to run. It does everything I need it to, very comfortable too.Down the road I am expecting a price per mile charge as the exchequer is losing a fortune in lost taxation. I expect the EV will still be cheaper than petrol.
In the summer I am taking a sub 20mpg V8 to the the south of France. That's going to be expensive.
Would I abandon ICE altogether? I might do, I'd like the Tesla Roadster, so could go fully EV. But won't if legislation starts making the car report charging and motoring stats to the elec companies, government, police etc
I also agree regards the Tesla roadster or any other 'fun' EV that is going to come. EV has already proved itself as a practical solution, the next step is to be a desirable solution for those of us that want more than practicality. The Taycan will doubtless end up in a museum one day for being the first to make EV fun. I suspect it's about to be followed by many others though.
E-tron 55 and 991 GTS currently. Both very good at what they were bought for, however if I had to choose to have only one of them then the 991 would be going.
The only issue I have with EV is that when I leased the Etron it was circa £475/month, however looking at what the options are now there is nothing that is appealing to my at anywhere near that cost. New Etron is nearer £750, Audi GT slightly more and then Taycans more still. I'm also full aware that in the non too distant future the government are going to massively hike up the BIK rates for EV to company car owners, once the adoption rate is high enough, so its a bit of a concern having a 100k leased EV if this were to happen.
The only issue I have with EV is that when I leased the Etron it was circa £475/month, however looking at what the options are now there is nothing that is appealing to my at anywhere near that cost. New Etron is nearer £750, Audi GT slightly more and then Taycans more still. I'm also full aware that in the non too distant future the government are going to massively hike up the BIK rates for EV to company car owners, once the adoption rate is high enough, so its a bit of a concern having a 100k leased EV if this were to happen.
M.F.D said:
True enthusiasts will have ICE for as long as it is possible.
The 'pure' enthusiasts am pretty sure are horrified by things like automated controls for fuel combustion or even the very concept of gear syncros, let alone an engine that can be started by some things as lazy as a key turn 
PH is going downhill big time. So much EV love amongst supposed petrolheads. f
king tragic.
People who enjoy driving and all that is involved in that, will continue until it is not possible.
People who think 0-60 is cool for top trumps/bragging rights will probably make the move to EV's.
king tragic.People who enjoy driving and all that is involved in that, will continue until it is not possible.
People who think 0-60 is cool for top trumps/bragging rights will probably make the move to EV's.
M.F.D said:
PH is going downhill big time. So much EV love amongst supposed petrolheads. fking tragic.
People who enjoy driving and all that is involved in that, will continue until it is not possible.
People who think 0-60 is cool for top trumps/bragging rights will probably make the move to EV's.
Problem is there is nothing that can done about it. It won’t be legal to buy a new ICE soon and the used car market for ICEs will dry up before then and will be ageing. king tragic.People who enjoy driving and all that is involved in that, will continue until it is not possible.
People who think 0-60 is cool for top trumps/bragging rights will probably make the move to EV's.
There's the hobby of driving as a leisure activity, and there's the grind of driving to get you (and maybe your family) to places.
Can't see me buying another everyday ICE car. Ignoring environmental concerns all the boring commute/errands/family driving is just a better experience in an EV. Preheating in the winter (or cooling in summer), performance with no waiting for oil to warm up, one pedal driving in traffic, it fills up overnight on my driveway, luxury car levels of NVH, and the kind of torque you'd need a big capacity thirsty car to achieve.
For a fun car, sure - ICE can be more interesting and engaging. But I'm not that enthused about newer "fun" cars so an older one as a hobby is fine.
Can't see me buying another everyday ICE car. Ignoring environmental concerns all the boring commute/errands/family driving is just a better experience in an EV. Preheating in the winter (or cooling in summer), performance with no waiting for oil to warm up, one pedal driving in traffic, it fills up overnight on my driveway, luxury car levels of NVH, and the kind of torque you'd need a big capacity thirsty car to achieve.
For a fun car, sure - ICE can be more interesting and engaging. But I'm not that enthused about newer "fun" cars so an older one as a hobby is fine.
Edited by sjg on Monday 7th March 09:48
M.F.D said:
0-60 gets boring very quickly.
Yawn with the horse chat. A horse in not a car.
You can love both EVs and ICE. I do. And lucky enough to have great examples of both. If you are a real car enthusiast you will appreciate what EVs are good at - and what they aren't good at - but to dismiss them out of hand is silly.Yawn with the horse chat. A horse in not a car.
M.F.D said:
People who enjoy driving and all that is involved in that, will continue until it is not possible.
I assume you're heading out in the model T this weekend then? Not one of those stty modern cars with a starter motor, they take all the skill away!You're already a lazy driver, we all are. That's why we have cars not horses.
M.F.D said:
PH is going downhill big time. So much EV love amongst supposed petrolheads. fking tragic.
People who enjoy driving and all that is involved in that, will continue until it is not possible.
People who think 0-60 is cool for top trumps/bragging rights will probably make the move to EV's.
Fun is subjective, some find straightline rocket fun, some just love cornering with speed, some found gear shifting fun, some enjoy reving NA engine, and some prefer turboking tragic.People who enjoy driving and all that is involved in that, will continue until it is not possible.
People who think 0-60 is cool for top trumps/bragging rights will probably make the move to EV's.
EV have very little to do with decline of "driving engagement", modern car are fill with electronics, DCT, and smaller but more efficient engine. That's what the majority want. They care little bit about driving at the limit, or rev matching gear shift, they want the most efficient and convenient way of personal transportation. The oldest car I had own, a 91 MX-5 was already fill with driver assist like hydraulic steering.
There are toys like Morgan and Caterham in the market for "true enthusiast" you describe, and they will remain in the used market even EV take over the majority
TheDeuce said:
M.F.D said:
People who enjoy driving and all that is involved in that, will continue until it is not possible.
I assume you're heading out in the model T this weekend then? Not one of those stty modern cars with a starter motor, they take all the skill away!You're already a lazy driver, we all are. That's why we have cars not horses.
There's a basic test on PH that anyone who averages over 100 posts a month is a good candidate to be ignored. They're more interested in just posting anything as they seem to be unable to have a conversation in the real world. You're at over 300. Just saying.. #less.is.more
Heres Johnny said:
TheDeuce said:
M.F.D said:
People who enjoy driving and all that is involved in that, will continue until it is not possible.
I assume you're heading out in the model T this weekend then? Not one of those stty modern cars with a starter motor, they take all the skill away!You're already a lazy driver, we all are. That's why we have cars not horses.
There's a basic test on PH that anyone who averages over 100 posts a month is a good candidate to be ignored. They're more interested in just posting anything as they seem to be unable to have a conversation in the real world. You're at over 300. Just saying.. #less.is.more
Heres Johnny said:
Yawn
There's a basic test on PH that anyone who averages over 100 posts a month is a good candidate to be ignored. They're more interested in just posting anything as they seem to be unable to have a conversation in the real world. You're at over 300. Just saying.. #less.is.more
Whereas your post, as usual, seems to be the pinnacle of contributing to the conversation.There's a basic test on PH that anyone who averages over 100 posts a month is a good candidate to be ignored. They're more interested in just posting anything as they seem to be unable to have a conversation in the real world. You're at over 300. Just saying.. #less.is.more
Keep it up and you might need to up your made up number so that it excludes you by about 30% again.
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