32A garage socket suitable for EV cable?

[TimmyMallett]

[saaby93]

TheDeuce said:

TimmyMallett said:

Doe the average person have to worry about all this? I'm not an ev owner, I have been consider it this year but this all seems unnecessarily complicated?

Well... no. The average person gets a proper charger installed and never thinks about it again.

Like most things in life, you can save a few quid and go a semi/full DIY route which is also fine imo, so long as you understand what you're doing and are confident and competent.

If you buy an EV and get a pro to fit a charger it's as easy as it can be - literally plug and play. Easier than going out of your way to fill up an ICE for sure. What can be easier than waking up with a full tank each morning?

Its not about an installation for an EV though
It's whether the 32A outlet can be used if you have a visitor with an EV
Is there a low cost way they can use the outlet? The J1772 standard looks pretty straightforward

[TheDeuce]

saaby93 said:

TheDeuce said:

TimmyMallett said:

Doe the average person have to worry about all this? I'm not an ev owner, I have been consider it this year but this all seems unnecessarily complicated?

Well... no. The average person gets a proper charger installed and never thinks about it again.

Like most things in life, you can save a few quid and go a semi/full DIY route which is also fine imo, so long as you understand what you're doing and are confident and competent.

If you buy an EV and get a pro to fit a charger it's as easy as it can be - literally plug and play. Easier than going out of your way to fill up an ICE for sure. What can be easier than waking up with a full tank each morning?

Its not about an installation for an EV though
It's whether the 32A outlet can be used if you have a visitor with an EV
Is there a low cost way they can use the outlet? The J1772 standard looks pretty straightforward

Absolutely, if you have a 32a socket to offer a visitor then do so.

I'd just advise caution ahead of leaving anything plugged in to for extended periods un monitored unless you know the socket and circuit are in good order. The reality is that most people don't know that because they don't check, because they don't need to. About the highest draw item most will ever plug in to a socket is a kettle and that only draws current for a couple of minutes.

[Evanivitch]

saaby93 said:

Its not about an installation for an EV though
It's whether the 32A outlet can be used if you have a visitor with an EV
Is there a low cost way they can use the outlet? The J1772 standard looks pretty straightforward

There's no low cost way of using the socket, as the Commando to Type1/2 cables are expensive. So if they're not planning on using the cable regularly it's a false economy over a granny charger (3-pin) or a proper wall-mounted EVSE socket.

The "it would be almost as expensive" will be interesting once the prices adjust for the grant ending at the end of this month (March). It wouldn't be surprising if there's some adjustment to compensate for this.

[saaby93]

Is this good enough to connect into the 32A socket?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125197421564?

[somouk]

Evanivitch said:

There's no low cost way of using the socket, as the Commando to Type1/2 cables are expensive. So if they're not planning on using the cable regularly it's a false economy over a granny charger (3-pin) or a proper wall-mounted EVSE socket.

The "it would be almost as expensive" will be interesting once the prices adjust for the grant ending at the end of this month (March). It wouldn't be surprising if there's some adjustment to compensate for this.

Agree with this really, may as well get a 32 amp to 13 amp fly lead and let them plug in on the granny lead. Most cars come with them or the visitor will have bought one usually as an emergency charger. Slower but will do the job, especially if being left overnight.

[TheDeuce]

somouk said:

Evanivitch said:

There's no low cost way of using the socket, as the Commando to Type1/2 cables are expensive. So if they're not planning on using the cable regularly it's a false economy over a granny charger (3-pin) or a proper wall-mounted EVSE socket.

The "it would be almost as expensive" will be interesting once the prices adjust for the grant ending at the end of this month (March). It wouldn't be surprising if there's some adjustment to compensate for this.

Agree with this really, may as well get a 32 amp to 13 amp fly lead and let them plug in on the granny lead. Most cars come with them or the visitor will have bought one usually as an emergency charger. Slower but will do the job, especially if being left overnight.

The dumb thing is I keep a 13a rated extension lead and granny charger in my EV at all times in case I need to borrow charge from a friend or families regular 13a socket. It's been two years and it's never happened once. I certainly don't need the luxury of 32a waiting for me on the off-chance I at some point lose track of how much charge I have.

I also think that just about anyone's house I could stop at probably has a 50kw public charger within a few miles drive - so I'd just use that for 30 mins and not bother them with cables when I turned up.

[Evanivitch]

saaby93 said:

Is this good enough to connect into the 32A socket?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125197421564?

No. That's just a tethered cable to attach to a wall mounted EVSE. There's a communication interface missing.

[saaby93]

Evanivitch said:

saaby93 said:

Is this good enough to connect into the 32A socket?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125197421564?

No. That's just a tethered cable to attach to a wall mounted EVSE. There's a communication interface missing.

is the communications handled in the handset?
ETA
Maybe not I see there is Live Neutral Earth plus a red wire

Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 12th March 22:33

[Evanivitch]

saaby93 said:

is the communications handled in the handset?

In the "brick".

https://www.romatech.co.uk/ohme-intelligent-ev-cha...

[saaby93]

Evanivitch said:

saaby93 said:

is the communications handled in the handset?

In the "brick".

https://www.romatech.co.uk/ohme-intelligent-ev-cha...

Thats way OTT though - contains Apps and all sorts

[Evanivitch]

saaby93 said:

Evanivitch said:

saaby93 said:

is the communications handled in the handset?

In the "brick".

https://www.romatech.co.uk/ohme-intelligent-ev-cha...

Thats way OTT though - contains Apps and all sorts

https://thirdrockenergy.co.uk/products/type-2-to-commando-plug-ev-portable-charger-6a-to-16a-variable-3-6kw-5-metre?variant=39628299698329&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2020-05-12&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gclid=CjwKCAiAprGRBhBgEiwANJEY7HT_flZjbMN8zH6CvnmCtcibFwd2kKkdlGOHC0LhttpG6UaGsct28xoCy-8QAvD_BwE

[jason61c]

I know a couple of people with a 32A 'commando'. No issues at all. its a 'multi use' socket so you don't need all the timing crap added on.

[saaby93]

jason61c said:

I know a couple of people with a 32A 'commando'. No issues at all. its a 'multi use' socket so you don't need all the timing crap added on.

What do they use to plug into it?

[JonnyVTEC]

Watch out, we have a badass mentioning “timing crap”

[Evanivitch]

jason61c said:

I know a couple of people with a 32A 'commando'. No issues at all. its a 'multi use' socket so you don't need all the timing crap added on.

So they happily pay 20-30p/kWh and not 5-8p/kWh. How odd.

[somouk]

Some cars are smart enough to do the timing bit and it’s not needed in the lead/charger.

[NDA]

Evanivitch said:

jason61c said:

I know a couple of people with a 32A 'commando'. No issues at all. its a 'multi use' socket so you don't need all the timing crap added on.

So they happily pay 20-30p/kWh and not 5-8p/kWh. How odd.

My EV (and I assume many others) has a scheduled charging function. So the car charges at a set time.

[jason61c]

Evanivitch said:

jason61c said:

I know a couple of people with a 32A 'commando'. No issues at all. its a 'multi use' socket so you don't need all the timing crap added on.

So they happily pay 20-30p/kWh and not 5-8p/kWh. How odd.

Most peoples cars will do it.

[Frimley111R]

jason61c said:

Evanivitch said:

jason61c said:

I know a couple of people with a 32A 'commando'. No issues at all. its a 'multi use' socket so you don't need all the timing crap added on.

So they happily pay 20-30p/kWh and not 5-8p/kWh. How odd.

Most peoples cars will do it.

Fewer cars than you'd think...