I saw a parked iPace so went to a dealership

[Lord Flashheart]

TheDeuce said:

Lord Flashheart said:

I'm reading good things here, which is encouraging. The downside is you're pushing me towards spending more than I'd hoped! Black pack HSE with 22s and red sports seats would be the ultimate.

Ahem... And air suspension and active damping please.

😂 Yes, that too! Told you the price keeps going up!

[oop north]

My iPace just went back a couple of weeks ago after 29,000 mile in three years.

If I didn't need something bigger (now got an XC90 to cart the children to and from university at 185 miles (Edinburgh) and 150 miles away (Aberystwyth) - though got a Volvo C40 for my wife) and wasn't going to travel more than say 100 miles from home (at least until there is a better spread of chargers with a lot more than 50kW charging speeds - almost none on the uni runs meaning 2 hours charging on Edinburgh return trip and 1.5 hours charging on a run to Aberystwyth - which adds horribly to length of a day return trip) I would have very happily had another iPace, or kept the original for longer. Nothing looked or felt worn after three years, I enjoyed driving it (I have never in all my life had the inclination to race a Golf GTi above 100mph...) and if there were decent chargers en route it was perfectly possible to do big distances without stops an awful lot longer than you would want to stop - eg, we did Preston to Essex coast (320 miles each way) in March for the weekend without difficulty

There are a couple of areas where Jaguar are behind the curve though - the charge curve and max charging speed are both pretty poor, efficiency is also poor (driving gently doesn't help the iPace all that much but on the C40 you can really stretch the battery if you try hard), and the infotainment software is buggy (the pivi pro more so according to the owner forums). The infotainment was OK on mine (no point getting over excited about slow loading of the satnav - my 2015 BMW i3 was no better - but occasional blank screens were a bit of an irritation) but I have never been bothered about setting up profiles which many people had problems with.

Some of he promises made by Jaguar at launch were never fulfilled - I was told the space saver spare wheel would fit under the boot floor if I didn't have air suspension but that was a downright lie (though I can't think of any EV where a spare can be kept without losing a huge chunk of the boot). The nav was touted as directing you to a charger when navigating with all sorts of info about whether or not it was available but there is no such thing

The Jaguar app was vastly better than the rubbish the Volvo C40 has - the iPace app showed journey and consumption history and location and ability to lock and unlock and pre-heat / cool remotely, but the Volvo is missing most of that.

[I hope that a software update will fix but the C40 doesn't have any odometer reading of total distance traveled which is barking mad - and may even be illegal? But my wife prefers to the C40 to the Jag - and I like it still having 400bhp ]

[Lord Flashheart]

oop north said:

My iPace just went back a couple of weeks ago after 29,000 mile in three years.

If I didn't need something bigger (now got an XC90 to cart the children to and from university at 185 miles (Edinburgh) and 150 miles away (Aberystwyth) - though got a Volvo C40 for my wife) and wasn't going to travel more than say 100 miles from home (at least until there is a better spread of chargers with a lot more than 50kW charging speeds - almost none on the uni runs meaning 2 hours charging on Edinburgh return trip and 1.5 hours charging on a run to Aberystwyth - which adds horribly to length of a day return trip) I would have very happily had another iPace, or kept the original for longer. Nothing looked or felt worn after three years, I enjoyed driving it (I have never in all my life had the inclination to race a Golf GTi above 100mph...) and if there were decent chargers en route it was perfectly possible to do big distances without stops an awful lot longer than you would want to stop - eg, we did Preston to Essex coast (320 miles each way) in March for the weekend without difficulty

There are a couple of areas where Jaguar are behind the curve though - the charge curve and max charging speed are both pretty poor, efficiency is also poor (driving gently doesn't help the iPace all that much but on the C40 you can really stretch the battery if you try hard), and the infotainment software is buggy (the pivi pro more so according to the owner forums). The infotainment was OK on mine (no point getting over excited about slow loading of the satnav - my 2015 BMW i3 was no better - but occasional blank screens were a bit of an irritation) but I have never been bothered about setting up profiles which many people had problems with.

Some of he promises made by Jaguar at launch were never fulfilled - I was told the space saver spare wheel would fit under the boot floor if I didn't have air suspension but that was a downright lie (though I can't think of any EV where a spare can be kept without losing a huge chunk of the boot). The nav was touted as directing you to a charger when navigating with all sorts of info about whether or not it was available but there is no such thing

The Jaguar app was vastly better than the rubbish the Volvo C40 has - the iPace app showed journey and consumption history and location and ability to lock and unlock and pre-heat / cool remotely, but the Volvo is missing most of that.

[I hope that a software update will fix but the C40 doesn't have any odometer reading of total distance traveled which is barking mad - and may even be illegal? But my wife prefers to the C40 to the Jag - and I like it still having 400bhp ]

A good summary. I guess all makes have their issues and I'm pleased to read that none of the above would stop you owning an iPace in particular again.

[TheDeuce]

oop north said:

My iPace just went back a couple of weeks ago after 29,000 mile in three years.

If I didn't need something bigger (now got an XC90 to cart the children to and from university at 185 miles (Edinburgh) and 150 miles away (Aberystwyth) - though got a Volvo C40 for my wife) and wasn't going to travel more than say 100 miles from home (at least until there is a better spread of chargers with a lot more than 50kW charging speeds - almost none on the uni runs meaning 2 hours charging on Edinburgh return trip and 1.5 hours charging on a run to Aberystwyth - which adds horribly to length of a day return trip) I would have very happily had another iPace, or kept the original for longer. Nothing looked or felt worn after three years, I enjoyed driving it (I have never in all my life had the inclination to race a Golf GTi above 100mph...) and if there were decent chargers en route it was perfectly possible to do big distances without stops an awful lot longer than you would want to stop - eg, we did Preston to Essex coast (320 miles each way) in March for the weekend without difficulty

There are a couple of areas where Jaguar are behind the curve though - the charge curve and max charging speed are both pretty poor, efficiency is also poor (driving gently doesn't help the iPace all that much but on the C40 you can really stretch the battery if you try hard), and the infotainment software is buggy (the pivi pro more so according to the owner forums). The infotainment was OK on mine (no point getting over excited about slow loading of the satnav - my 2015 BMW i3 was no better - but occasional blank screens were a bit of an irritation) but I have never been bothered about setting up profiles which many people had problems with.

Some of he promises made by Jaguar at launch were never fulfilled - I was told the space saver spare wheel would fit under the boot floor if I didn't have air suspension but that was a downright lie (though I can't think of any EV where a spare can be kept without losing a huge chunk of the boot). The nav was touted as directing you to a charger when navigating with all sorts of info about whether or not it was available but there is no such thing

The Jaguar app was vastly better than the rubbish the Volvo C40 has - the iPace app showed journey and consumption history and location and ability to lock and unlock and pre-heat / cool remotely, but the Volvo is missing most of that.

[I hope that a software update will fix but the C40 doesn't have any odometer reading of total distance traveled which is barking mad - and may even be illegal? But my wife prefers to the C40 to the Jag - and I like it still having 400bhp ]

Same experience as me pretty much. The slow infotainment/nav loading and occasional delays to boot up are annoying, the system in the more recent cars is far more responsive, even though it's still a Jag so no doubt a few bugs lurking

But apart from that all the fancy tech works very well and it's a joy to drive.

Regards charger info, did you register the data sim? It needs that data connection for charger network and traffic info.

And did you ever discover the hidden storage trays beneath the rear seat? A lot of owners never do.. I use them to stash cigars in so mrs Deuce doesn't find out

[anonymous-user]

The efficiency of mine is isn’t bad - far from it. 3 miles per kWh is what I get as an average, even with motorways mixed in. For a thing of its size, I think 3 miles per kWh is great. I only charge at work and it’s suiting me fine. So far I haven’t needed a public charger because I’m getting 250 miles out of a full charge, and that covers me for a weekend of driving to see friends and family. I’m totally converted. Do it OP

[TheDeuce]

Lord Flashheart said:

TheDeuce said:

Lord Flashheart said:

I'm reading good things here, which is encouraging. The downside is you're pushing me towards spending more than I'd hoped! Black pack HSE with 22s and red sports seats would be the ultimate.

Ahem... And air suspension and active damping please.

?? Yes, that too! Told you the price keeps going up!

I have:

HSE
Some black trim bits
22" twin tone alloys
Configurable interior lighting
Pano roof
Air suspension
Adaptive damping

I really wish I'd gone for the four zone climate control because it's the only way to get decent airflow in the rear - although it's not really an issues because you can pre-cool the car on a hot day.

At the time all in it was £83k according to the configurator but we got a great lease deal and put it through the company. Per month it's less than the golf GTD we had privately a year before hand. And also, costs very little to run no matter how hard you drive it

[Julian Thompson]

Ask young people what their favourite supercar is and plenty of them will reply “R8”. Fabulous, amazing car.

Don’t do it. It’s like selling the Rolex you wear a few times a year so you can wear an Apple Watch daily.

[TheDeuce]

Julian Thompson said:

Ask young people what their favourite supercar is and plenty of them will reply “R8”. Fabulous, amazing car.

Don’t do it. It’s like selling the Rolex you wear a few times a year so you can wear an Apple Watch daily.

If you asked most young people now if they thought their Dad should get an ICE or electric car though... They've all spent years in school learning about how we broke the planet, they like electric cars, it's modern and on trend. Actually, they really like a car with endless USB ports and strong wifi

Or I suppose most would say a powerful Tesla or something unobtainable like a Rimac.

The R8 is a lovely car but for a car to keep for future values.. I can think of better. And if it's not to be kept as a cherished car, then naturally it has to go to make way the next car. A lot of people's next car is now going to be electric.

On the flip side, I can see supercar club popularity increasing as more people get their day to day speed kicks in EV but also want something more hardcore and fun a handful of times a year.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 16th May 22:23

[jaydeeuk1]

When I enquired about the Hse spec in Dec it no longer came with heads up display or the 360 cameras due to chip shortage, so that was a no from me.

Did you confirm spec with dealer?

[TheDeuce]

jaydeeuk1 said:

When I enquired about the Hse spec in Dec it no longer came with heads up display or the 360 cameras due to chip shortage, so that was a no from me.

Did you confirm spec with dealer?

Mine (2020) has the 360 cameras as standard but the HUD was always an option. Is it standard now?

I would really miss the 360 cameras, it's a big old car and very limited rear visibility. Also using the cameras to park tight to a kerb without scraping a wheel and look out at oblique junctions is very useful. It's a feature anyone would expect from a luxury vehicle at this price point these days.

[Lord Flashheart]

TheDeuce said:

Julian Thompson said:

Ask young people what their favourite supercar is and plenty of them will reply “R8”. Fabulous, amazing car.

Don’t do it. It’s like selling the Rolex you wear a few times a year so you can wear an Apple Watch daily.

If you asked most young people now if they thought their Dad should get an ICE or electric car though... They've all spent years in school learning about how we broke the planet, they like electric cars, it's modern and on trend. Actually, they really like a car with endless USB ports and strong wifi

Or I suppose most would say a powerful Tesla or something unobtainable like a Rimac.

The R8 is a lovely car but for a car to keep for future values.. I can think of better. And if it's not to be kept as a cherished car, then naturally it has to go to make way the next car. A lot of people's next car is now going to be electric.

On the flip side, I can see supercar club popularity increasing as more people get their day to day speed kicks in EV but also want something more hardcore and fun a handful of times a year.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 16th May 22:23

My R8 is a wonderful car with a stunning sound track, but it doesn't make me feel alive like my 630bhp Noble M400 did previously. Ironically in which, I had a massive 'off' that should have killed me.
My greatest concern with the R8 currently is which way values are going to go in the next 5 years say. With the onslaught of electric, they could be sought after and go up in price, or the government might just turn around and say gas guzzlers are going to cost you £5k a year to tax. Then no one will want it.
The iPace will be the dipping of my toe in the electric waters. For me it's the best looking EV currently. It looks so different externally to all others, with a very cool interior too.
Sadly I can't put an iPace down to business, so it would be a big personal expense.

Edited by Lord Flashheart on Wednesday 18th May 06:19

[TheDeuce]

Lord Flashheart said:

TheDeuce said:

Julian Thompson said:

Ask young people what their favourite supercar is and plenty of them will reply “R8”. Fabulous, amazing car.

Don’t do it. It’s like selling the Rolex you wear a few times a year so you can wear an Apple Watch daily.

If you asked most young people now if they thought their Dad should get an ICE or electric car though... They've all spent years in school learning about how we broke the planet, they like electric cars, it's modern and on trend. Actually, they really like a car with endless USB ports and strong wifi

Or I suppose most would say a powerful Tesla or something unobtainable like a Rimac.

The R8 is a lovely car but for a car to keep for future values.. I can think of better. And if it's not to be kept as a cherished car, then naturally it has to go to make way the next car. A lot of people's next car is now going to be electric.

On the flip side, I can see supercar club popularity increasing as more people get their day to day speed kicks in EV but also want something more hardcore and fun a handful of times a year.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 16th May 22:23

My R8 is a wonderful car with a stunning sound track, but it doesn't make me feel alive like my 630bhp Noble M400 did previously. Ironically in which, I had a massive 'off' that should have killed me.
My greatest concern with the R8 currently is which way values are going to go in the next 5 years say. With the onslaught of electric, they could be saught after and go up in price, or the government might just turn around and say gas guzzlers are going to cost you £5k a year to tax. Then no one will want it.
The iPace will be the dipping of my toe in the electric waters. For me it's the best looking EV currently. It looks so different externally to all others, with a very cool interior too.
Sadly I can't put an iPace down to business, so it would be a big personal expense.

I think you're right to be cautious of the R8 as a future asset. Some ICE cars are bound to become sought after as production dries up... But there are an awful lot of R8's out there and I'm not sure it did anything unique enough in terms of supercar evolution to be a milestone looking back retrospectively in the future. It is a lovely car of course, I'm just trying to be objective.

As for the expense of the iPace - it wasn't that many years ago that the only way to get a luxury SUV that had the same sort of performance was to go for a supercharged V8 which were even more expensive in decent trim and then catastrophically expensive to run. And the handling was always a big compromise with a huge engine upfront over the axle. And in fact the residuals were appalling too!

I suppose I'll get rocks thrown at me for suggesting the iPace is a relative bargain. But... I think it is. It makes fast & luxury possible without a series of compromises. As do other decent EV's too - but as you say, the iPace is a looker..

The residuals should at least be decent for several years. The bottom line is that demand has hugely outstripped supply for EV's, they were selling far faster than predicted even before the world was disrupted with covid and a war. I don't see supply catching up for years compared to 'normal' times.

Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 17th May 22:20

[maddog993]

oop north said:

I hope that a software update will fix but the C40 doesn't have any odometer reading of total distance traveled which is barking mad - and may even be illegal? But my wife prefers to the C40 to the Jag - and I like it still having 400bhp ]

Odometer is there as normal on the C40 - you just press the central menu button on the right-hand side of the steering wheel and the distances travelled- including odometer reading are shown on the dash-screen

[Diderot]

maddog993 said:

oop north said:

I hope that a software update will fix but the C40 doesn't have any odometer reading of total distance traveled which is barking mad - and may even be illegal? But my wife prefers to the C40 to the Jag - and I like it still having 400bhp ]

Odometer is there as normal on the C40 - you just press the central menu button on the right-hand side of the steering wheel and the distances travelled- including odometer reading are shown on the dash-screen

[Zcd1]

I-Pace’s Achilles’ Heel remains its DC charging speed, which simply isn’t competitive. If you don’t do much road tripping or don’t care about the much longer stops that would be required by an I-Pace, it’s a nice car.

[AdeTuono]

maddog993 said:

oop north said:

I hope that a software update will fix but the C40 doesn't have any odometer reading of total distance traveled which is barking mad - and may even be illegal? But my wife prefers to the C40 to the Jag - and I like it still having 400bhp ]

Odometer is there as normal on the C40 - you just press the central menu button on the right-hand side of the steering wheel and the distances travelled- including odometer reading are shown on the dash-screen

As shown here...

https://www.volvocars.com/uk/support/manuals/c40-r...

[JonnyVTEC]

Zcd1 said:

I-Pace’s Achilles’ Heel remains its DC charging speed, which simply isn’t competitive. If you don’t do much road tripping or don’t care about the much longer stops that would be required by an I-Pace, it’s a nice car.

Good in a few years though second hand, Atleast you know the battery won’t have been thrashed.

[Lord Flashheart]

JonnyVTEC said:

Zcd1 said:

I-Pace’s Achilles’ Heel remains its DC charging speed, which simply isn’t competitive. If you don’t do much road tripping or don’t care about the much longer stops that would be required by an I-Pace, it’s a nice car.

Good in a few years though second hand, Atleast you know the battery won’t have been thrashed.

This is fine for me. It wouldn't be a daily drive, just weekends most of the time. The reality is I could probably just leave it plugged into a 3 pin socket and it'll be fully charged each time I'd use it!
Having watched the Autocar Youtube review of iPace vs Merc vs Audi, I'm even more convinced. It is simply more of a driver's car than the others, and that's what I'm after as a priority over how practical it is etc.

[TheDeuce]

Zcd1 said:

I-Pace’s Achilles’ Heel remains its DC charging speed, which simply isn’t competitive. If you don’t do much road tripping or don’t care about the much longer stops that would be required by an I-Pace, it’s a nice car.

It's not an Achilles'heel imo, on the basis I happily charged and drove the car for two years before SWOLL on these forums pointed out there was a difference in charge curves between EV's.

How big is the real world difference though? If I charge from 30% to 80% on a 50kw charger it takes about 45 mins. Exactly how much quicker are other cars to do the same charge?

[JonnyVTEC]

It’s a very good car and it’s only real weakness is the charging = Achilles heel.

My wife drove mine to the shops the other day at got 4.4mile/kWh! It can be done just different when it’s a performance car! In this weather getting 3 is no real drama either. I did 3.1 this evenings commute even with a short stretch of motorway at 90leptons…. I think the moderate charging and keeping the battery warm means short trips in cold weather can be ‘poor efficiency’