How much is your EV costing you to run?

[105.4]

Toaster Pilot said:

M4cruiser said:

I feel the same as 105.4 on this. I doubt my £30 Ebay OBD2 code-reader will do anything on an EV, so I'll need some pretty expensive tools ro replace my well-used spanner kit.

You’d be surprised - EVs use exactly the same diagnostic protocols. A code reader that is actually useful for a modern ICE car will serve you very well, a basic one that can just do engine codes not so much.

I bought a used Snap On Solus 2 Pro off of eBay a couple of years ago for around £300-£350. You need to buy the manufacturer specific ‘keys’ for it, but these are cheap off of eBay and not too bad direct from Snap On.

The machine has more than paid for itself already.

[Evanivitch]

M4cruiser said:

I feel the same as 105.4 on this. I doubt my £30 Ebay OBD2 code-reader will do anything on an EV, so I'll need some pretty expensive tools ro replace my well-used spanner kit.

There's loads of 3rd party apps that use OBD2 to do battery health reports and find the module that might have a dead cell in etc.

[Toaster Pilot]

105.4 said:

I bought a used Snap On Solus 2 Pro off of eBay a couple of years ago for around £300-£350. You need to buy the manufacturer specific ‘keys’ for it, but these are cheap off of eBay and not too bad direct from Snap On.

The machine has more than paid for itself already.

Yep - at the more knock off end of the market the Icarsoft CR Pro is sub £200 and very capable.

[2fast748]

Just looked for a thread like this as I'm trying to work out real world costs of my work office move and the use of my wife's EV.

I can't say I understand some of the maths conclusions drawn here! I get the EV down to 11p per mile and my petrol (but very economical car) to 19p per mile. If some of you are genuinely paying single figures pennies for electric you should consider yourselves very lucky!

[Toaster Pilot]

2fast748 said:

Just looked for a thread like this as I'm trying to work out real world costs of my work office move and the use of my wife's EV.

I can't say I understand some of the maths conclusions drawn here! I get the EV down to 11p per mile and my petrol (but very economical car) to 19p per mile. If some of you are genuinely paying single figures pennies for electric you should consider yourselves very lucky!

Assuming we’re talking just about the fuel cost most EVs would cost sub 10p/mile even at the price cap. Yes there are some very uneconomical outliers but they’re mostly cars where the fuel cost is the least of your concern.

You only need to be averaging more than 3mi/kWh to be under 10p, hardly a tall order.

Of course those without home charging are in a different situation but they always were.

[M1C]

This is making me really wish i'd kepy my 2014 Leaf, a few years ago.

Our electric at home was (not so much now, but was back then) stupidly cheap and it would cost me approx 50p to charge up the Leaf, fully. (granted it was a 24kwh with approx 81% SOH) but still, that was working out about 0.8 p per mile!

Sold it as at the time it had to do 'main family car' duties which it just couldn't do fully to our satisfaction due to the limited range, so i sold it (broke even)

Should have kept it and worked something else out. It was so mega cheap to run if charging at home, plus i really enjoyed driving it, was my first venture into EV and i liked the smoothness and calmness of it all, quite nippy too, when asked. Plus spacious.

Man. I'll have to get another one but they're all like 3-4k more now for the same car!

By comparison i now drive a Mondeo tdci which is working out at around 20p per mile. (x25 of the Leafs cost!)

[2fast748]

Toaster Pilot said:

2fast748 said:

Just looked for a thread like this as I'm trying to work out real world costs of my work office move and the use of my wife's EV.

I can't say I understand some of the maths conclusions drawn here! I get the EV down to 11p per mile and my petrol (but very economical car) to 19p per mile. If some of you are genuinely paying single figures pennies for electric you should consider yourselves very lucky!

Assuming we’re talking just about the fuel cost most EVs would cost sub 10p/mile even at the price cap. Yes there are some very uneconomical outliers but they’re mostly cars where the fuel cost is the least of your concern.

You only need to be averaging more than 3mi/kWh to be under 10p, hardly a tall order.

Of course those without home charging are in a different situation but they always were.

Finger trouble on my part, was using standing charge instead of cost per KW/h which is still 28p in our house.

[_Mja_]

I've been looking around at family type electric cars - but they are much much much more expensive to run and obtain than the experience I have had from 3mths old to now 9 year old VAG based 2.0 Tdi. My diesel has cost, all costs inc buying, fuel, assumed residual trade value of £4k, servicing, insuring etc, 34pence per mile for 90k/9years (£30,600).

Can I get an electric car, family estate/SUV sized for less than 34pence per mile, ALL IN (inc buying)? Needs to be equiv spec to mine - leather, nice alloys, nice interior etc. Assume I keep it for 5 years / 50k - what electric car can i get that will cost me £17k (inc electric, tyres, service, buying and residual value)?

Persoanlly I don't think the maths stack up to buy an EV over a newish petrol/diesel, which are considerably cheaper to negate cost of fuel, if you're an owner like me who keeps hold of the car for a long time.

Happy to be proven wrong as wouldn*t mind having one tbh.

Edited by _Mja_ on Tuesday 5th July 13:02

[Toaster Pilot]

Surely a 3 month old petrol/diesel car is now considerably more expensive than it was 9 years ago too though?

[_Mja_]

Not hughely actually - my example is quite specific though. I've got a 2013 Seat Exeo Estate, top speci model. It's based on an Audi A4 but did not carry the same price tag and equally at the other end the residuals are not as strong. I remember looking at an equivalent spec Audi at the same time - S line, leather, 170ps diesel, less than 6k on the odo and it was £32k in early 2014. I felt like i was getting a great bargain on the Seat, even though it was an earlier chassis to the Audi at the time.

The equivalent car today is £35k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205306...

There isn't an equivlant to the Exeo, the Leon is notch down on the quality but still a decent car.

[Toaster Pilot]

If you bought that A4 and ran it for 5 years and 50k miles it’ll cost you significantly more than £17k, no?

Nearly ten grand in diesel alone.

[Discombobulate]

2fast748 said:

Just looked for a thread like this as I'm trying to work out real world costs of my work office move and the use of my wife's EV.

I can't say I understand some of the maths conclusions drawn here! I get the EV down to 11p per mile and my petrol (but very economical car) to 19p per mile. If some of you are genuinely paying single figures pennies for electric you should consider yourselves very lucky!

Our iPace is 10p per mile and i3 7.5p per mile on standard variable tariff. Electricity costs only.

Edited to add: Excludes standing charge in calculation.

[105.4]

I did a couple of sums the other evening.

I ran my work van from brimmed to fumes. The range was a whisker over 400 miles, so £0.21 per mile + RFL + maintenance, (oil & filter ever 5000 miles for starters).

I’ll do 400 miles in 9-10 days.

I been conversing via email with the commercial specialist at a local Citroen dealer, who informs me that the battery warranty is actually 8 years, not the 3 years I was previously told.

I’ve spoken to a couple of mates of mine who run electric cars and vans, and I’m confident that range won’t be an issue, even in the depths of winter.

I’ll be test driving an electric Berlingo MPV on Sunday, (they don’t have any electric Berlingo vans in stock), and if all goes well and we can do a deal, I’ll place my order on Sunday, for an expected delivery in early November.

I just hope I’m not going to have buyers regret on a £32k van. I almost feel like I’m about to betray the internal combustion engine.

I know what I pay per KW of electric, but how do I convert that into what I’d expect it to cost me to recharge the vehicle before I place the order?

[poo at Paul's]

105.4 said:

I did a couple of sums the other evening.

I ran my work van from brimmed to fumes. The range was a whisker over 400 miles, so £0.21 per mile + RFL + maintenance, (oil & filter ever 5000 miles for starters).

I’ll do 400 miles in 9-10 days.

I been conversing via email with the commercial specialist at a local Citroen dealer, who informs me that the battery warranty is actually 8 years, not the 3 years I was previously told.

I’ve spoken to a couple of mates of mine who run electric cars and vans, and I’m confident that range won’t be an issue, even in the depths of winter.

I’ll be test driving an electric Berlingo MPV on Sunday, (they don’t have any electric Berlingo vans in stock), and if all goes well and we can do a deal, I’ll place my order on Sunday, for an expected delivery in early November.

I just hope I’m not going to have buyers regret on a £32k van. I almost feel like I’m about to betray the internal combustion engine.

I know what I pay per KW of electric, but how do I convert that into what I’d expect it to cost me to recharge the vehicle before I place the order?

Have you worked out the p per mile for it sat still, ie just the lease.
The cheaper end more basic EVs such as vans and entry level EVs seem scary, 75p to a quid a mile on lease, before even turning a wheel.
What sort of deal are yiu getting on am electric Berlingo van?

[105.4]

poo at Paul's said:

Have you worked out the p per mile for it sat still, ie just the lease.
The cheaper end more basic EVs such as vans and entry level EVs seem scary, 75p to a quid a mile on lease, before even turning a wheel.
What sort of deal are yiu getting on am electric Berlingo van?

I’m not leasing. Financially, it makes little sense for me to do so.

I haven’t even spoken to the sales lady about any numbers yet.

[Maracus]

105.4 said:

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I know what I pay per KW of electric, but how do I convert that into what I’d expect it to cost me to recharge the vehicle before I place the order?

Usable Battery capacity (46kW) X Cost per unit of electricity.

[105.4]

Maracus said:

105.4 said:

I

I know what I pay per KW of electric, but how do I convert that into what I’d expect it to cost me to recharge the vehicle before I place the order?

Usable Battery capacity (46kW) X Cost per unit of electricity.

Thanks

[hepy]

105.4 said:

I did a couple of sums the other evening.

I ran my work van from brimmed to fumes. The range was a whisker over 400 miles, so £0.21 per mile + RFL + maintenance, (oil & filter ever 5000 miles for starters).

I’ll do 400 miles in 9-10 days.

I been conversing via email with the commercial specialist at a local Citroen dealer, who informs me that the battery warranty is actually 8 years, not the 3 years I was previously told.

I’ve spoken to a couple of mates of mine who run electric cars and vans, and I’m confident that range won’t be an issue, even in the depths of winter.

I’ll be test driving an electric Berlingo MPV on Sunday, (they don’t have any electric Berlingo vans in stock), and if all goes well and we can do a deal, I’ll place my order on Sunday, for an expected delivery in early November.

I just hope I’m not going to have buyers regret on a £32k van. I almost feel like I’m about to betray the internal combustion engine.

I know what I pay per KW of electric, but how do I convert that into what I’d expect it to cost me to recharge the vehicle before I place the order?

Don't forget to include the cost of the charger. With the mileage you are doing, charging from a three pin plug won't work, especially if you are taking advantage of cheaper rates at night.

[Evanivitch]

Maracus said:

Usable Battery capacity (46kW) X Cost per unit of electricity.

Plus 5-10% for charging losses.

[105.4]

Evanivitch said:

Maracus said:

Usable Battery capacity (46kW) X Cost per unit of electricity.

Plus 5-10% for charging losses.

Charging losses?