How much is your EV costing you to run?

[saaby93]

105.4 said:

dmsims said:

Have a look at post 2018 (40kWh) env200

e.g. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202206216...

Chuffin’ hell !
That’s strong money.

vans
https://www.fleetprices.co.uk/search-vans?noindex=...

[dmsims]

saaby93 said:

vans
https://www.fleetprices.co.uk/search-vans?noindex=...

He is doing around 12K miles p.a. and the Nissan is £22424 +VAT for 4 years

Edited by dmsims on Thursday 7th July 13:59

[audikentman]

Seat Mii electric since last September, 3 year lease with £2,000 down

£163 a month lease
£7.85 a month BP pulse subscription
Mainly used for 32 mile round trip daily commute
5200 miles
Only recharge at work on free charging posts.
Dreading handing it back

[OutInTheShed]

audikentman said:

Seat Mii electric since last September, 3 year lease with £2,000 down

£163 a month lease
£7.85 a month BP pulse subscription
Mainly used for 32 mile round trip daily commute
5200 miles
Only recharge at work on free charging posts.
Dreading handing it back

..

39p per mile?

[audikentman]

OutInTheShed said:

audikentman said:

Seat Mii electric since last September, 3 year lease with £2,000 down

£163 a month lease
£7.85 a month BP pulse subscription
Mainly used for 32 mile round trip daily commute
5200 miles
Only recharge at work on free charging posts.
Dreading handing it back

..

39p per mile?

Over 3 years & approx 20-24,000 miles, if you say so, not worked it out per mile

Beats my 2009 Subaru Forester that would have cost me £12.50 a day ULEZ
40 mpg at £7.50 a gallon
(Just fuel & ULEZ would cost me about £18 a day)
£245? p.a road tax
About the same for each car for insurance
Mot each year
Service
Repairs
Breakdown cover
Was coming up for a set of 4 tyres

Edited by audikentman on Sunday 10th July 02:36

Edited by audikentman on Sunday 10th July 04:02

[dmsims]

OutInTheShed said:

audikentman said:

Seat Mii electric since last September, 3 year lease with £2,000 down

£163 a month lease
£7.85 a month BP pulse subscription
Mainly used for 32 mile round trip daily commute
5200 miles
Only recharge at work on free charging posts.
Dreading handing it back

..

39p per mile?

In the context of the original post: 1.5 p per mile

[105.4]

Six months ago I was determined that I would never, ever own an electric vehicle.

This thread and the figures quoted have gone far to change my mind. So much so that this morning I’m going to be test driving an electric Berlingo van with the view to changing my order for a new diesel one to an electric one.

Additionally, the Wife and I have just been discussing changing her petrol MINI for something electric, (if the number make sense, which we’re just about to look at).

Do any of you chaps run two electric vehicles in your household? If so, how do you get in with charging?

Can you charge two vehicles at once?

There would be no option for either my Wife or I to charge at work l.

Thanks in advance

Just done the numbers;

Last month my Wife spent £303.60 on petrol, plus £18.(40?) on RFL. That was an average month.

Total = £322, plus ongoing maintenance and MOT. Call it £340-£350 pcm?



My man maths can be somewhat reckless. I’m looking for a responsible adult to either tell me I’m being sensible or stupid about firing off the MINI and getting her something similar that’s electric.

Edited by 105.4 on Sunday 10th July 09:58

[page3]

105.4 said:

Do any of you chaps run two electric vehicles in your household? If so, how do you get in with charging?

Can you charge two vehicles at once?

We have two EVs - an Ioniq Electric and a Model 3.

We’ve never needed to charge both simultaneously. If we needed to I suppose we could charge one with the 7kw charger and the other with the granny charger, but the necessity has never arisen.

We thought the electric Mini looked great, if you manage the limited range.

[105.4]

page3 said:

We have two EVs - an Ioniq Electric and a Model 3.

We’ve never needed to charge both simultaneously. If we needed to I suppose we could charge one with the 7kw charger and the other with the granny charger, but the necessity has never arisen.

Thanks

I think we could probably charge one vehicle one night, and the other the next night.

Or top one up for a few hours, then stick the other one in the charger.

Just frantically doing some numbers now with the Wife to see how things add-up.

Edited to add;

Current running costs, (fuel only), for my Kangoo van and my Wife’s MINI are £2.50 per ten miles each.

Reasonable worst case numbers for an electric Berlingo van are £1.50 per mile, plus finance costs. I’m doing around 12’500 miles per year. I suspect my Wife’s mileage is similar.

That means we should be saving £2000to £2500 a year?

Blimey !

edited again because I forgot to divide by ten.

Edited by 105.4 on Sunday 10th July 10:22

Edited by 105.4 on Sunday 10th July 10:27

[saaby93]

105.4 said:

page3 said:

We have two EVs - an Ioniq Electric and a Model 3.

We’ve never needed to charge both simultaneously. If we needed to I suppose we could charge one with the 7kw charger and the other with the granny charger, but the necessity has never arisen.

Thanks

I think we could probably charge one vehicle one night, and the other the next night.

Or top one up for a few hours, then stick the other one in the charger.

Just frantically doing some numbers now with the Wife to see how things add-up.

Surely if you're looking at two, the efficiency of charging and usage come into play
Isnt the ioniq one of the more efficient in use, but not so clear on charging where Zoe may be better.
with a 7kw charger and say 7 hours of cheap overnight charging there's little point having a battery more than 49kwh unless its like having a reserve tank that you never use

[the-photographer]

105.4 said:

Six months ago I was determined that I would never, ever own an electric vehicle.

This thread and the figures quoted have gone far to change my mind. So much so that this morning I’m going to be test driving an electric Berlingo van with the view to changing my order for a new diesel one to an electric one.

Additionally, the Wife and I have just been discussing changing her petrol MINI for something electric, (if the number make sense, which we’re just about to look at).

Do any of you chaps run two electric vehicles in your household? If so, how do you get in with charging?

Can you charge two vehicles at once?

There would be no option for either my Wife or I to charge at work l.

Thanks in advance

Just done the numbers;

Last month my Wife spent £303.60 on petrol, plus £18.(40?) on RFL. That was an average month.

Total = £322, plus ongoing maintenance and MOT. Call it £340-£350 pcm?



My man maths can be somewhat reckless. I’m looking for a responsible adult to either tell me I’m being sensible or stupid about firing off the MINI and getting her something similar that’s electric.

At £300 and above there should be a good case of at least breaking even with a £300-ish lease or purchase (£20,000 / 60 months = 333)

[page3]

saaby93 said:

105.4 said:

page3 said:

We have two EVs - an Ioniq Electric and a Model 3.

We’ve never needed to charge both simultaneously. If we needed to I suppose we could charge one with the 7kw charger and the other with the granny charger, but the necessity has never arisen.

Thanks

I think we could probably charge one vehicle one night, and the other the next night.

Or top one up for a few hours, then stick the other one in the charger.

Just frantically doing some numbers now with the Wife to see how things add-up.

Surely if you're looking at two, the efficiency of charging and usage come into play
Isnt the ioniq one of the more efficient in use, but not so clear on charging where Zoe may be better.
with a 7kw charger and say 7 hours of cheap overnight charging there's little point having a battery more than 49kwh unless its like having a reserve tank that you never use

In our case, the Ioniq is a 38kwh battery (170+ miles real world range) and the Tesla around a 55kwh battery (220 miles real world range). Both are efficient, but the Ioniq insanely so.

We tend to top up when necessary using Octopus Go four hour off peak slot. If less than 50% in either car we just top up in multiple sessions, but that’s an infrequent event.

[audikentman]

OutInTheShed said:

audikentman said:

Seat Mii electric since last September, 3 year lease with £2,000 down

£163 a month lease
£7.85 a month BP pulse subscription
Mainly used for 32 mile round trip daily commute
5200 miles
Only recharge at work on free charging posts.
Dreading handing it back

..

39p per mile?

I would have thought that due to free charging, unlike my old Diesel car, the more miles I do the cheaper it works out per mile.

[ashenfie]

audikentman said:

OutInTheShed said:

audikentman said:

Seat Mii electric since last September, 3 year lease with £2,000 down

£163 a month lease
£7.85 a month BP pulse subscription
Mainly used for 32 mile round trip daily commute
5200 miles
Only recharge at work on free charging posts.
Dreading handing it back

..

39p per mile?

I would have thought that due to free charging, unlike my old Diesel car, the more miles I do the cheaper it works out per mile.

I think the reason is because the poster does few miles therefore the cost benefit of an EV is zero and further had he need to pay for the electric it would work out more expensive. Many options on ICE would give you a nicer 2nd hand car for 39p thats for sure. Maybe his maths is also bad?

[audikentman]

ashenfie said:

audikentman said:

OutInTheShed said:

audikentman said:

Seat Mii electric since last September, 3 year lease with £2,000 down

£163 a month lease
£7.85 a month BP pulse subscription
Mainly used for 32 mile round trip daily commute
5200 miles
Only recharge at work on free charging posts.
Dreading handing it back

..

39p per mile?

I would have thought that due to free charging, unlike my old Diesel car, the more miles I do the cheaper it works out per mile.

I think the reason is because the poster does few miles therefore the cost benefit of an EV is zero and further had he need to pay for the electric it would work out more expensive. Many options on ICE would give you a nicer 2nd hand car for 39p thats for sure. Maybe his maths is also bad?

Before I got the Mii last September worked out very rough costs Petrol/Diesel costs 10p a mile Electric 1p a mile.
Since then refuelling has probably costs 50% more so its now 15p a mile and 1.5p a mile.

Also I've jumped from a 12 year old car into a brand new one

[105.4]

audikentman said:

Before I got the Mii last September worked out very rough costs Petrol/Diesel costs 10p a mile Electric 1p a mile.
Since then refuelling has probably costs 50% more so its now 15p a mile and 1.5p a mile.

Also I've jumped from a 12 year old car into a brand new one

We’ve just come up with the following:

Petrol MINI and diesel Kangoo = 25p / mile (fuel only).
Electric = (realistic worst case) 10p / mile.

I’ve just test driven an electric Berlingo, (MPV version). Wow ! It was weird at first, especially at walking pace in the dealers car park, but once out on the road and after a mile or two, it seemed ‘normal’.

Acceleration up to 40-50mph was ok, better than my current 68bhp Kangoo. Above 50mph and it started to tail off quite noticeably.

All-in-all, I was quite impressed. If the sales staff can come back with some decent figures, then I’ll be doing a deal this afternoon.

[saaby93]

Where does cost of insurance come into this - is Berlingo one of the cheapest?

[105.4]

saaby93 said:

Where does cost of insurance come into this - is Berlingo one of the cheapest?

I’m paying an eye watering sum pcm at the moment. When I checked the price of new diesel Berlingos they were a touch cheaper.

[OutInTheShed]

ashenfie said:

I think the reason is because the poster does few miles therefore the cost benefit of an EV is zero and further had he need to pay for the electric it would work out more expensive. Many options on ICE would give you a nicer 2nd hand car for 39p thats for sure. Maybe his maths is also bad?

IC cars have capital/depreciation/finance costs too.

There are many ways of looking at it.

Some times it's worth thinking about the extra cost of doing or not doing a journey.
If I decide to take the car to Edinburgh instead of flying, the cost for that is just the mileage related costs of fuel, tyres, mile-based depreciation, mile-based element of servicing.

If I want to know the true cost of having two cars instead of one, then I'm not so worried about the mile-based costs, just the annual costs of depreciation, road tax, insurance, time-based servicing.

If I want to compare the costs of running a Leaf or a Tesla or a petrol Alfa. then I mostly want to total up all the costs and divide them by the number of years (or miles) I'll keep the car.

BEVs will have mileage -based depreciation. We may not know what it is yet! Leased BEVs presumably have a mileage limit and an excess charge per mile? These things are real costs per mile if you start wanting to go to Wales every other weekend.
How do monthly lease costs increase per 1000 miles of included mileage?

Non-fuel costs matter if you are thinking about shifting your family mileage among your cars.
My car is not worth much, it won't depreciate any more if I do another 2000 miles a year.
Her car is fairly low mileage, it's arguably worth keeping the miles down.

When I said a certain BEV cost 39p/mile, I wasn't saying that was high.
Compare with an IC shed costing 20p/mile in fuel and that leaves you with 19p/mile to reach parity. If that's 10k miles, then £1900 a year.
£220 road tax £400 for servicing/repairs? £80 of ULEZ fees?
Suddenly you need to keep your IC car's capital/depreciation/finance down to £1200 a year. to be cheaper than a BEV?
That's a tight budget.
It's looking less and less attractive to spend say £10k on a medium nice used IC car.

[audikentman]

£80 of ULEZ fees????
How do you get to that figure?
£12.50 a day × 4 = £50 a week = £200 a month
£12.50 a day x 5 = £65.50 a week = £262 a month

I will remind you £163 lease a month, £7.85 Pulse membership
Free charging add in £2,000 deposit over 156 weeks thats another £51.28, total £222 a month, I'm quids in already, that before you add in the cost of diesel.

If I do 32 miles a day 6 days a week for 52 weeks a year thats 9,984 miles, take off holidays when the car will be parked up & there is no way I will do more than 30,000 miles in 3 years so no extra miles to pay.