Best upcoming EVs? What's worth waiting for?
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Well, the Rivian is years away, if ever.
Polestar 3 is likely to be pricey.
Ioniq 6 - might be a good shout, but could still be years away.
BMW i3 - I'd go for the i4, but that's me, and I couldn't afford it.
EV6 GT - I'm biased as I've got an EV6 already, but of the above - this would be on your drive soonest.
Polestar 3 is likely to be pricey.
Ioniq 6 - might be a good shout, but could still be years away.
BMW i3 - I'd go for the i4, but that's me, and I couldn't afford it.
EV6 GT - I'm biased as I've got an EV6 already, but of the above - this would be on your drive soonest.
delta0 said:
croyde said:
I'm waiting for any EV where I can take the battery out and carry over 100m and up the stairs to my flat in order to charge it.
Still seems to me that an electric car just cannot cut it with the majority of people who don't have a nice house with a drive/garage or the ability to park and charge at work.
After 'downgrading' from a 400bhp V8 and an old school 90s BMW in-line 6 to a modern 3cyl 1.0 petrol, I'm now accepting of a small EV
But it's just not going to work.
https://www.zipcharge.global/Still seems to me that an electric car just cannot cut it with the majority of people who don't have a nice house with a drive/garage or the ability to park and charge at work.
After 'downgrading' from a 400bhp V8 and an old school 90s BMW in-line 6 to a modern 3cyl 1.0 petrol, I'm now accepting of a small EV
But it's just not going to work.
Edited by delta0 on Saturday 11th June 15:15
Most of these EVs are in the £40k+bracket unless you go for poverty spec, and even if available next year, could well be 6-12 months before you see it on your drive.
I haven't looked at numbers, but I bet the majority of £40k+ ev registrations are through business, solely because of 2% bik, that will no doubt rapidly increase come 2025.
People have been happy to do a 2 - 4 year lease since 2020 hence huge amount of EV registrations because they know they're still only going to be paying £90 a month or so at most in tax. Business customers from next year will not commit to lease deals if they don't know how much they're spending. Could well have a labour govt by then, who will probably be anti 'expensive' EVs, so bik could well be 10%+.
Guess what I'm trying to say, EVs are gonna have to come crashing down in price, because fewer business orders, middle of a recession come 2023-2025, market flooded with ex lease model 3/y which are only cars being produced in volume, not many people have a spare £40k or willing to stump up £500 a month on lease. Which means manufacturers won't recoup development costs. Can't see the Toyota one being popular, nor the nissan one. If ICE really is phased out, I can see a lot of manufacturers completely f
ked over next 5 years, alfa romeo probably the first casualty imo.
I haven't looked at numbers, but I bet the majority of £40k+ ev registrations are through business, solely because of 2% bik, that will no doubt rapidly increase come 2025.
People have been happy to do a 2 - 4 year lease since 2020 hence huge amount of EV registrations because they know they're still only going to be paying £90 a month or so at most in tax. Business customers from next year will not commit to lease deals if they don't know how much they're spending. Could well have a labour govt by then, who will probably be anti 'expensive' EVs, so bik could well be 10%+.
Guess what I'm trying to say, EVs are gonna have to come crashing down in price, because fewer business orders, middle of a recession come 2023-2025, market flooded with ex lease model 3/y which are only cars being produced in volume, not many people have a spare £40k or willing to stump up £500 a month on lease. Which means manufacturers won't recoup development costs. Can't see the Toyota one being popular, nor the nissan one. If ICE really is phased out, I can see a lot of manufacturers completely f
ked over next 5 years, alfa romeo probably the first casualty imo.arcticnick said:
Can I have my thread back?
Get the arguments, I'd have assumed someone asking for high end electric car recommendations has already bought into the practicalities of a BEV... But thanks anyway.
Most of the ones coming so far mentioned in this thread are going to be over the budget you mentioned. Cars like the Eletre, Macan and by the time it comes out A6 will be north of £70k. The challenge with that price range is it is Tesla’s territory and it dominates so most cars are positioned either side of it. Get the arguments, I'd have assumed someone asking for high end electric car recommendations has already bought into the practicalities of a BEV... But thanks anyway.
delta0 said:
Most of the ones coming so far mentioned in this thread are going to be over the budget you mentioned. Cars like the Eletre, Macan and by the time it comes out A6 will be north of £70k. The challenge with that price range is it is Tesla’s territory and it dominates so most cars are positioned either side of it.
Not to mention that manufacturers now have to make up the lost profits in maintenance on their initial sales.For a lot of brands, their dealer network is in BIG trouble.
ZesPak said:
Not to mention that manufacturers now have to make up the lost profits in maintenance on their initial sales.
For a lot of brands, their dealer network is in BIG trouble.
The dealers aren't owned or run by the manufacturer though. Of course they'll probably lose a bit of the revenue they currently make from selling franchises to dealers, and maybe some money they make on selling spare parts, but it's not exactly a huge proportion of their income. For a lot of brands, their dealer network is in BIG trouble.
kambites said:
The dealers aren't owned or run by the manufacturer though. Of course they'll probably lose a bit of the revenue they currently make from selling franchises to dealers, and maybe some money they make on selling spare parts, but it's not exactly a huge proportion of their income.
You're probably right, I'm pretty well up to speed on the finances of the dealers some 10 years ago, and from what I know, they have some very hard times coming. It’s the dealers that are going to take the hit not the manufacturers with the drop in servicing requirements. They must make a lot from things like oil changes that won’t need doing.
Even more so when more manufacturers move to direct sales and cut out the middle man. I’m mean when you last bought a new car, how much value did the dealer actually add?
Even more so when more manufacturers move to direct sales and cut out the middle man. I’m mean when you last bought a new car, how much value did the dealer actually add?
Tobermory said:
It’s the dealers that are going to take the hit not the manufacturers with the drop in servicing requirements. They must make a lot from things like oil changes that won’t need doing.
Even more so when more manufacturers move to direct sales and cut out the middle man. I’m mean when you last bought a new car, how much value did the dealer actually add?
Seeing as EVs require minimal servicing, suspect owners of ICE cars may well take another hit here as well going forwards.Even more so when more manufacturers move to direct sales and cut out the middle man. I’m mean when you last bought a new car, how much value did the dealer actually add?
Lots of lovely things to con the unaware into replacing / repairing on modern engines and gearboxes
jaydeeuk1 said:
I haven't looked at numbers, but I bet the majority of £40k+ ev registrations are through business, solely because of 2% bik, that will no doubt rapidly increase come 2025.
Back in September a Tesla rep told me less than half of model 3’s were business registrations. I was surprised by this, assuming it was correct.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff