98% charge in under ten minutes

[TheDeuce]

Scrimpton said:

I think it is just the fear of the unknown. I have an EV and am totally in favour of them but I'm off to Headlingley for the cricket next week (110 miles each way) and I'm thinking of taking the Porsche as I'd need to top up on the way back and I'm worried about the availability of charging. I guess it shows that having had an EV for 18 months I've only had to charge away from home once.

I was like that the first couple of long distance trips. But along any lengthy journey there are so many public chargers these days, even a half hour at a common as muck 50kw charger would gift you another 60+ miles range.

[bigothunter]

TheDeuce said:

I was like that the first couple of long distance trips. But along any lengthy journey there are so many public chargers these days, even a half hour at a common as muck 50kw charger would gift you another 60+ miles range.

So half an hour charging for every one hour driving. Not especially efficient use of time...

ps I like the term 'gift you'

[TheDeuce]

bigothunter said:

TheDeuce said:

I was like that the first couple of long distance trips. But along any lengthy journey there are so many public chargers these days, even a half hour at a common as muck 50kw charger would gift you another 60+ miles range.

So half an hour charging for every one hour driving. Not especially efficient use of time...

ps I like the term 'gift you'

Eh? Why only one hours driving

You do realise that EV's start every day with a full charge - he'd have several hours of driving to do a 220mile round trip and probably only need a very short top up if at all.

I'd guess that's 4 hours driving on a typical mix of roads.

[anonymous-user]

TheDeuce said:

bigothunter said:

TheDeuce said:

I was like that the first couple of long distance trips. But along any lengthy journey there are so many public chargers these days, even a half hour at a common as muck 50kw charger would gift you another 60+ miles range.

So half an hour charging for every one hour driving. Not especially efficient use of time...

ps I like the term 'gift you'

Eh? Why only one hours driving

You do realise that EV's start every day with a full charge - he'd have several hours of driving to do a 220mile round trip and probably only need a very short top up if at all.

I'd guess that's 4 hours driving on a typical mix of roads.

As this was originally a comment in the context of long distance trips, I also assumed it would be motorway driving, where 60 miles at 60 mph would take an hour.

[bigothunter]

TheDeuce said:

bigothunter said:

TheDeuce said:

I was like that the first couple of long distance trips. But along any lengthy journey there are so many public chargers these days, even a half hour at a common as muck 50kw charger would gift you another 60+ miles range.

So half an hour charging for every one hour driving. Not especially efficient use of time...

ps I like the term 'gift you'

Eh? Why only one hours driving

Your remark about 30 minute charging for 60 mile range. 60mph average is not unreasonable even today...

[SWoll]

bigothunter said:

TheDeuce said:

I was like that the first couple of long distance trips. But along any lengthy journey there are so many public chargers these days, even a half hour at a common as muck 50kw charger would gift you another 60+ miles range.

So half an hour charging for every one hour driving. Not especially efficient use of time...

ps I like the term 'gift you'

That's also a very pessimistic range for 30mins of 50kW. Our super inefficient EV would better that, and most would get closer to 100 miles which on most journeys would be 2 hours or so.

[TheDeuce]

bigothunter said:

TheDeuce said:

bigothunter said:

TheDeuce said:

I was like that the first couple of long distance trips. But along any lengthy journey there are so many public chargers these days, even a half hour at a common as muck 50kw charger would gift you another 60+ miles range.

So half an hour charging for every one hour driving. Not especially efficient use of time...

ps I like the term 'gift you'

Eh? Why only one hours driving

Your remark about 30 minute charging for 60 mile range. 60mph average is not unreasonable even today...

But you're completely ignoring the starting range.

Most en route charging is just a quick top up if range is a bit short. Or if the journey is very long... You'd take a break for lunch or whatever at some point anyway, so you get a full recharge.

[A500leroy]

For me its the life span of the battery, Id be quite happy to buy a 8 year old ev for say 8 to 10k, BUT id want at least another 5 years use out of the battery (making the battery 13-15 years old) and im not sure we've reached that yet.

Id be quite happy to trade that off for a 80mile range and a 7 hour charge time if it made the battery last longer.

[bigothunter]

TheDeuce said:

Most en route charging is just a quick top up if range is a bit short. Or if the journey is very long... You'd take a break for lunch or whatever at some point anyway, so you get a full recharge.

If that's convenient during the working day, then fine. Our lives need more stringent planning...

[SWoll]

bigothunter said:

TheDeuce said:

Most en route charging is just a quick top up if range is a bit short. Or if the journey is very long... You'd take a break for lunch or whatever at some point anyway, so you get a full recharge.

If that's convenient during the working day, then fine. Our lives need more stringent planning...

Probably best sticking to ICE for another decade or so then I'd have thought, by which point the technology and supporting infrastructure may well be more suitable?

No-one is being held at gunpoint to change today, and it would appear there are numerous downsides to EV adoption that many are unwilling to accept/live with. Oh well..

[bigothunter]

SWoll said:

Probably best sticking to ICE for another decade or so then I'd have thought, by which point the technology and supporting infrastructure may well be more suitable?

No-one is being held at gunpoint to change today, and it would appear there are numerous downsides to EV adoption that many are unwilling to accept/live with. Oh well..

Despite my reservations, I would lease an EV in a flash when they become competitively priced. But for now, leased ICE fits the bill...

[TheDeuce]

bigothunter said:

TheDeuce said:

Most en route charging is just a quick top up if range is a bit short. Or if the journey is very long... You'd take a break for lunch or whatever at some point anyway, so you get a full recharge.

If that's convenient during the working day, then fine. Our lives need more stringent planning...

Do you often do more than 250 miles during a working day?

If you do, stick with diesel, for sure!

[TheRainMaker]

bigothunter said:

Despite my reservations, I would lease an EV in a flash when they become competitively priced. But for now, leased ICE fits the bill...

What sort of thing are you looking for?

Just to add if you didn't know, there are a fair few tax benefits you maybe able to utilise with BEV.

[bigothunter]

TheDeuce said:

Do you often do more than 250 miles during a working day?

If you do, stick with diesel, for sure!

Part time job is typically around 250 miles per day. But it can be longer. Longest so far are 632 and 750 miles.

[bigothunter]

TheRainMaker said:

What sort of thing are you looking for?

Just to add if you didn't know, there are a fair few tax benefits you maybe able to utilise with BEV.

Thanks for the advice - I have my eye on that ball.

[TheDeuce]

bigothunter said:

TheDeuce said:

Do you often do more than 250 miles during a working day?

If you do, stick with diesel, for sure!

Part time job is typically around 250 miles per day. But it can be longer. Longest so far are 632 and 750 miles.

Tesla long range is about the extent of the practical options in EV terms right now then.

Although if it's only seldom you exceed 250 miles in a day several could work.

It's a very good time to jump as the BIK is so low right now and it's a great time to sell an ICE if you own one.

Obviously that's no use if your mileage will frequently exceed and EV.

[SpeckledJim]

A500leroy said:

For me its the life span of the battery, Id be quite happy to buy a 8 year old ev for say 8 to 10k, BUT id want at least another 5 years use out of the battery (making the battery 13-15 years old) and im not sure we've reached that yet.

Id be quite happy to trade that off for a 80mile range and a 7 hour charge time if it made the battery last longer.

People have been making these predictions on battery degradation and life-span for well over a decade now. Almost all of them have been proved hugely pessimistic.

[OutInTheShed]

SpeckledJim said:

People have been making these predictions on battery degradation and life-span for well over a decade now. Almost all of them have been proved hugely pessimistic.

Have they?
I see lots of old leaves on Autotarder, degraded range roughly in line with what I'd expect.

Don't forget that cars manage their displayed range estimates and all that, in quite clever ways to
a) optimise battery life
and b) mask the effects of battery wear in early and middle life.

The main reason we are not awash with 15 year old BEVs with very tired batteries is that very few were sold 15 years ago, compared to how we see the market now.

[Scrimpton]

TheDeuce said:

Scrimpton said:

I think it is just the fear of the unknown. I have an EV and am totally in favour of them but I'm off to Headlingley for the cricket next week (110 miles each way) and I'm thinking of taking the Porsche as I'd need to top up on the way back and I'm worried about the availability of charging. I guess it shows that having had an EV for 18 months I've only had to charge away from home once.

I was like that the first couple of long distance trips. But along any lengthy journey there are so many public chargers these days, even a half hour at a common as muck 50kw charger would gift you another 60+ miles range.

Well I did it! 125 miles to Leeds at 5 miles per kwh, arriving with 60 miles left. 40 minutes at Ferrybridge on the way back for some food and a charge and straight home. Don't know what I was worried about tbh.

[Maracus]

Scrimpton said:

Well I did it! 125 miles to Leeds at 5 miles per kwh, arriving with 60 miles left. 40 minutes at Ferrybridge on the way back for some food and a charge and straight home. Don't know what I was worried about tbh.

Must be a cricket thing....

I drove to Trent Bridge last Monday, 190 mile round trip, managed 4.95 miles/kW on the way to Trent Bridge, bit worse on the way back.

Tesla Model 3 SR+.