Why do they feel slow?

[TheDeuce]

TheRainMaker said:

TheDeuce said:

TheRainMaker said:

TheDeuce said:

The person that best feels the power of a Tesla MS P at launch is the poor sod that's pulled up next to it in their £300k supercar

What an odd thing to say.

Can't say I would be that bothered



Or

I'd just wait for the electric Fezza I think. More practical, nippier too

Unlikely to much "nippier" they already do 0-100 in 6.1 seconds, I have a feeling you have never driven anything like the 458? There is much more to this sort of car than just the 0-60 times.

Not a 458, although if I could live a while with any Ferrari on the drive, that's one of be most interested in. I've driven several supercars and I totally agree the drug they deliver has little to do straight line acceleration.

I think you're wrong about how nippy an electric Ferrari will be though. I'd assume they'd at least want to be vaguely close to a Tesla down the straight - and they do 0-100mph in a fraction over 4 seconds.

https://youtu.be/KpwxRvHJbqU (you kinda need to watch it to believe it)

Will the first electric Ferrari want to go down the drag strip 50% slower than a family hatchback? Who knows what Ferrari and others have their targets on but paper stats are important even if they're far from the whole story, and it's fair to say the advent of EV has raised the bar in terms of expectations. Porsche aimed to beat the Model S on papwr stats, and they managed it - but not by much. Tbf I don't think there's much more on the table as these cars are traction, not power limited at this point.

[anonymous-user]

Assume you mean the Model X?

Did he have it in the proper launch mode? It only does those numbers in ludicrous mode which takes some battery prep and playing with the settings before doing a launch.

If not, then it’s certainly not slow but it’s not going to do low 3 seconds to 60.

[gmasterfunk]

I'm old school but there's no way this felt slow in the tesla. It would be fast in the m5 but the tesla would be face peeling

https://youtu.be/aXj7YZcsank

1.47 on

[Mr E]

Oh god, not this st again.

[BorkBorkBork]

It’s a smoother delivery, but you can’t escape the physics. The feeling of being pushed back into your seat is the same, the only thing that’s missing is engine noise, and the jolt of gear changes.

It seems the raw emotion and drama is transferred to the driver I’ve just overtaken, given the hand gestures and flashing of lights that sometimes follow.

I can appreciate both. I’m not sure why people have to be in a ‘camp’ on this. EV’s are very good, and much better than some things than ICE cars. And I’d argue, for 90% of drivers an EV is a better mode of transport.

But if you want a lightweight (relatively speaking or otherwise) sports car with 3 pedals and maximum engagement/drama, then clearly ICE is the only answer.

[KarlMac]

TheRainMaker said:

Unlikely to much "nippier" they already do 0-100 in 6.1 seconds, I have a feeling you have never driven anything like the 458? There is much more to this sort of car than just the 0-60 times.

There was a video of a Tesla drag racing against a 4C, it the Tesla was also towing a trailer with another 4C. I was so irrationally annoyed with how much they’d missed the point of the 4C.

[delta0]

TheRainMaker said:

What an odd thing to say.

Can't say I would be that bothered



Or

Ferrari goes full electric in 2025 with their first car so we aren’t likely to see that Ferrari other than in someone’s collection in the near future.

[TheDeuce]

charltjr said:

Assume you mean the Model X?

Did he have it in the proper launch mode? It only does those numbers in ludicrous mode which takes some battery prep and playing with the settings before doing a launch.

If not, then it’s certainly not slow but it’s not going to do low 3 seconds to 60.

Nope, model S. Model x is the SUV.

Model S Plaid is the quickest one.

And it certainly will do 0-60 well under 3 seconds without launch control or pre conditioning. This chap gets 2:19 on his second casual attempt: https://youtu.be/JL2Lay0H4FQ

The power and torque of dual motor EV's is brutal. As is the traction they achieve. The Tesla and Taycan can deliver 2 and bit seconds to 60 on a whim.

[TheDeuce]

delta0 said:

TheRainMaker said:

What an odd thing to say.

Can't say I would be that bothered



Or

Ferrari goes full electric in 2025 with their first car so we aren’t likely to see that Ferrari other than in someone’s collection in the near future.

Probably, but we'll learn the figures at release. it'll have to be sub 5 seconds to 100mph to even join the party. If they can get it below 4 seconds I'll be very impressed!

But more than anything I'd want to know what it feels like to drive, and as you say, that's just for the chosen few - if they even bother..

[ChocolateFrog]

Noise.

My Chimaera isn't fast. Much slower than any Model S but it makes a hell of a racket when you do put your foot down and that's what stands the hairs up on the back of your neck.

[paradigital]

They don’t feel slow. Certainly my Model 3 Performance nailed from a standstill in “sport” (definitely not “chill”) feels massively more rapid than my old 2017 S3 Saloon or my 440i, it shoves you in your seat and makes the wife feel ill.

Granted it doesn’t sound quick, which is a bit of the sensation gone, but they DO feel quick.

My Mk1 TT v6 roadster sounds like it should be the quickest car I own, it’s certainly the loudest and the most analogue, it’s the most sensation tingling as well, with the roof off, but it feels (and is) massively slower than the Tesla. I wouldn’t be surprised if my wife’s Passat GTE could have it from the lights.

Edited by paradigital on Wednesday 15th June 19:12

[TheDeuce]

ChocolateFrog said:

Noise.

My Chimaera isn't fast. Much slower than any Model S but it makes a hell of a racket when you do put your foot down and that's what stands the hairs up on the back of your neck.

Just different sensations. I think a near silent car that hits 60 in 2 seconds is as thrilling as a roaring V8 sports car that does it in 4.5 seconds. Two different ways of experiencing power - it's good we live in a time where there is plenty of both about to enjoy.

[foxsasha]

Mr Spoon said:

I'm at a loss here. Yesterday a friend of mine gave me a ride in the Tesla people carrier thing. It has a 0-60 of 3.1 seconds and 450/500hp. There is no doubt at how fast these cars are, I have seen them at Santa Pod and on the internet.

However, the whole acceleration experience was so different that the car didn't feel fast at all. I did remark at how quickly the numbers were rising on the speedo, and that was impressive, but I dd that whilst he was accelerating and i was looking at him chatting away.

How have Tesla made a car so refined you don't notice the supercar performance?

I was hugely dissapointed on the first drive of our Model 3P, felt mediochre on acceleration. Turns out they restrict performance when battery level drops below X range, cant remember the specifics. Full charge and warm and its a different ball game. I also ride bikes and have fast ICE cars and the 3P still feels daft fast, because they are. They are just are silly rapid from standstill.

[RobbyJ]

Mr Spoon said:

I'm at a loss here. Yesterday a friend of mine gave me a ride in the Tesla people carrier thing. It has a 0-60 of 3.1 seconds and 450/500hp. There is no doubt at how fast these cars are, I have seen them at Santa Pod and on the internet.

However, the whole acceleration experience was so different that the car didn't feel fast at all. I did remark at how quickly the numbers were rising on the speedo, and that was impressive, but I dd that whilst he was accelerating and i was looking at him chatting away.

How have Tesla made a car so refined you don't notice the supercar performance?

What exact version of the Model X was it as they vary from the 75D which is brisk but not fast to the Performance which to 60 is very fast. Also if it was one of the quick ones that are 750+bhp (Tesla don't quote numbers on the newer ones I think) was it in the right drive mode? Also was the battery low as under 30% that makes a big difference.

I've had a couple of 700+bhp cars and to 60mph my Tesla feels quicker every time and the roll on instant acceleration is nuts.

All I can suggest is he or you were doing it wrong or you're used to 800+bhp SUV's on a daily basis.

[delta0]

ChocolateFrog said:

Noise.

My Chimaera isn't fast. Much slower than any Model S but it makes a hell of a racket when you do put your foot down and that's what stands the hairs up on the back of your neck.

I wish we could keep experiencing noise like this. The new noise regs restricting levels to 68 dB and also the introduction of acoustic sensors that is coming soon means it’s going to be hard to rag a car anymore.

[ChocolateFrog]

TheDeuce said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Noise.

My Chimaera isn't fast. Much slower than any Model S but it makes a hell of a racket when you do put your foot down and that's what stands the hairs up on the back of your neck.

Just different sensations. I think a near silent car that hits 60 in 2 seconds is as thrilling as a roaring V8 sports car that does it in 4.5 seconds. Two different ways of experiencing power - it's good we live in a time where there is plenty of both about to enjoy.

2 seconds is fantasy for 99.99% of EV's.

In fact I don't think any production car can do a genuine 2 seconds flat on the road, even the Plaid won't do that.

I think 4 seconds to 60 is more 'normal' parameter to compare.

[TheDeuce]

ChocolateFrog said:

TheDeuce said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Noise.

My Chimaera isn't fast. Much slower than any Model S but it makes a hell of a racket when you do put your foot down and that's what stands the hairs up on the back of your neck.

Just different sensations. I think a near silent car that hits 60 in 2 seconds is as thrilling as a roaring V8 sports car that does it in 4.5 seconds. Two different ways of experiencing power - it's good we live in a time where there is plenty of both about to enjoy.

2 seconds is fantasy for 99.99% of EV's.

In fact I don't think any production car can do a genuine 2 seconds flat on the road, even the Plaid won't do that.

I think 4 seconds to 60 is more 'normal' parameter to compare.

Several will do around 3 seconds though. And as per my video above, the plaid will do a fraction over 2 seconds at the drop of a hat, as with the Taycan.

I think it's reasonable to compare to the model S given that's what the thread started with..

[TheDeuce]

RobbyJ said:

Mr Spoon said:

I'm at a loss here. Yesterday a friend of mine gave me a ride in the Tesla people carrier thing. It has a 0-60 of 3.1 seconds and 450/500hp. There is no doubt at how fast these cars are, I have seen them at Santa Pod and on the internet.

However, the whole acceleration experience was so different that the car didn't feel fast at all. I did remark at how quickly the numbers were rising on the speedo, and that was impressive, but I dd that whilst he was accelerating and i was looking at him chatting away.

How have Tesla made a car so refined you don't notice the supercar performance?

What exact version of the Model X was it as they vary from the 75D which is brisk but not fast to the Performance which to 60 is very fast. Also if it was one of the quick ones that are 750+bhp (Tesla don't quote numbers on the newer ones I think) was it in the right drive mode? Also was the battery low as under 30% that makes a big difference.

I've had a couple of 700+bhp cars and to 60mph my Tesla feels quicker every time and the roll on instant acceleration is nuts.

All I can suggest is he or you were doing it wrong or you're used to 800+bhp SUV's on a daily basis.

Worth remembering that a 700+hp EV also has a level and curve of torque that you simply cannot get from ICE, which makes all the difference. That's why a comparable powered EV can slice around a second off the 0-60 time of an ICE.

My Ipace has only 400hp but, according to jaguar 700nm torque. Although everyone who dynos them seems to get a reading closer to 900nm... The plaid has about 1250nm, which is insane but we can see the effect it has off the line.

[OutInTheShed]

TheDeuce said:

Several will do around 3 seconds though. And as per my video above, the plaid will do a fraction over 2 seconds at the drop of a hat, as with the Taycan.

I think it's reasonable to compare to the model S given that's what the thread started with..

2.7 seconds is about 1g acceleration.
AWD, or weight transfer to the driven wheels, reasonable tyres, decent tarmac and you can hope for a bit better than 1g.
Significantly better than 1g and you're drag racing with hot sticky rubber and it's not very relevant to everyday motoring on public roads.

Motorbike reviews stopped talking about 0 to 60 in about 1975, because it's mostly a test of the tarmac and tyre budget.


It feels slow because it's safe and dull.
1g is the same as you feel from gravity without getting out of bed.

[TheDeuce]

OutInTheShed said:

TheDeuce said:

Several will do around 3 seconds though. And as per my video above, the plaid will do a fraction over 2 seconds at the drop of a hat, as with the Taycan.

I think it's reasonable to compare to the model S given that's what the thread started with..

2.7 seconds is about 1g acceleration.
AWD, or weight transfer to the driven wheels, reasonable tyres, decent tarmac and you can hope for a bit better than 1g.
Significantly better than 1g and you're drag racing with hot sticky rubber and it's not very relevant to everyday motoring on public roads.

Motorbike reviews stopped talking about 0 to 60 in about 1975, because it's mostly a test of the tarmac and tyre budget.


It feels slow because it's safe and dull.
1g is the same as you feel from gravity without getting out of bed.

I don't know what point you're trying to prove. 1g in bed!? That's perpetual force. 1g lateral is entirely different.

I used to drag race. I know the benefits of sticky tyres and strip. But if you Google it you'll see endless real world examples of these cars doing a give or take 2 second run to 60 with no prep at all. The tyres these days are good enough and the AWD and weight sees to the rest. The motor torque control can also acheive a perfect torque delivery unlike anything ICE could hope to deliver.

Don't take my word for it, watch the hundreds of videos of it being easily achieved.