EV Charging: On a council Estate.
Discussion
bigothunter said:
OutInTheShed said:
Yet I think the cost of running a reasonably reliable banger has increase a lot?
I think there's a trend for the lifetime costs of a car to fall less heavily on the first owner, and more heavily on its owner from 6 to 12 years?
Early year costs are hugely effected by initial purchase price. I will only buy a 'new' vehicle if heavily discounted, often through being pre-registered. Crippling depreciation can be avoided.I think there's a trend for the lifetime costs of a car to fall less heavily on the first owner, and more heavily on its owner from 6 to 12 years?
Principle of 5 to 10 years old being the cheapest period holds true in my experience. Wear out phase and failures tend to elevate costs after 10 years. Actual economic lifetime is highly dependent on vehicle type and usage profile. That 10 years can extend to 15 or more.
Also leasing new cars can be very economic, unless your ex takes and refuses to return it even though you are still paying
These ten year old Tesla's also maintain most of their original range, it's likely they'll still have very usable range at 20 years old, at which point they become less desirable due to being very outdated as opposed to useless. That would normally trigger a car to drop in value to £500-1000 because it's become a bit of a shed... But that can't happen unless the battery is totally useless, and it looks like it just won't be. So probably better to eventually scrap the car, sell the battery. Or most likely by that stage get a payment for the battery depending on it's health when you scrap the car. I suspect the payment will be more than people tend to spend on old sheds these days - ignoring the temporary over-inflated values of course.
Olivera said:
Isn't there also the not insignificant problem of neds/scum/human-detritus tampering with charging equipment/cables on council estates?
So far there really hasn't been. You can't actually unplug a car in most cases, hilarious as it might sound to a scally. Also these days there's an odds on chance you're on someone's camera whilst you meddle with a persons property.Plus the obvious deterrent - mindless tampering could be instantly punished by 400v.
You can't steal the power as the chargers are all 'smart' and any public charger will be in real time communication with it's operator anyway. You tamper, they come out and report it to the police - who these days will then stick cameras in houses overlooking the area in case you return. You'd have no chance of discretely hooking your house up to a public charger.
Honestly, it would be easier for scumbags to double down their focus on half inching an old ICE Golf. Far quicker, far easier. Far less likely to be hooked up and tracked/monitored remotely as with most EV's and chargers.
MadMullah said:
Generally with crimes of opportunity those kinda thieves dont know what to do with a cable i doubt they have any awareness of its value.
Unless it was just laying around for the taking, they'll have had to break the lock somehow, no doubt deforming the plug to some extent in the process. And honestly, how much is a used cable going to be worth when it has to be sold 'in a hurry'? Steeling a bike would be quicker and easier - and you get a free getaway ride too!Evanivitch said:
C.A.R. said:
About to pass 6,000 miles in my EV I've had since March.
I've charged it at home exactly zero times.
People really need to stop getting hung up about at-home charging. In the current cost climate it doesn't even make economical sense, even if you have off-street parking!
Assuming you're very familiar with your workplace charging or the local Tesco Podpoint I've charged it at home exactly zero times.
People really need to stop getting hung up about at-home charging. In the current cost climate it doesn't even make economical sense, even if you have off-street parking!
Best case, in 2035 you'll still be able to buy a new hybrid.
Better case, no need for on street parking. Five minutes before you leave your house you summon a self driving car to come to your front door from wherever the closest one has taken itself to charge up whilst awaiting its next customer.
Better case, no need for on street parking. Five minutes before you leave your house you summon a self driving car to come to your front door from wherever the closest one has taken itself to charge up whilst awaiting its next customer.
Milkyway said:
wisbech said:
I like the Japanese city solution. You need a certificate from local police that you have an off road parking space before you can buy a car.
And they have those very small cars... ‘J’ cars (I think).OutInTheShed said:
And there are cars in between.
But unless things change a lot, there will be a shortage of used EVs.
Once your Tesla's battery has degraded to 50% of new, it doesn't have a long future. It won't be a great buy for someone doing 40k km a year, they won't get two years out of it.
Anecdotal, but relevant and far from the only case.But unless things change a lot, there will be a shortage of used EVs.
Once your Tesla's battery has degraded to 50% of new, it doesn't have a long future. It won't be a great buy for someone doing 40k km a year, they won't get two years out of it.
https://youtu.be/baRxEYCM2ec (Dutch)
2013 Model S with 200k km on the clock.
Battery at 87%.
Where are these Tesla's at 50%?
TheDeuce said:
Unless it was just laying around for the taking, they'll have had to break the lock somehow, no doubt deforming the plug to some extent in the process. And honestly, how much is a used cable going to be worth when it has to be sold 'in a hurry'? Steeling a bike would be quicker and easier - and you get a free getaway ride too!
Selling an EV cable is rather limited. who do you sell it to? to sell to a scrapper you have to strip it first. to sell it to anyone else they gotta need one first. there's far more profitable stuff to nick from inside the car than these cables. profitable for them i mean.
MadMullah said:
TheDeuce said:
Unless it was just laying around for the taking, they'll have had to break the lock somehow, no doubt deforming the plug to some extent in the process. And honestly, how much is a used cable going to be worth when it has to be sold 'in a hurry'? Steeling a bike would be quicker and easier - and you get a free getaway ride too!
Selling an EV cable is rather limited. who do you sell it to? to sell to a scrapper you have to strip it first. to sell it to anyone else they gotta need one first. there's far more profitable stuff to nick from inside the car than these cables. profitable for them i mean.
Also the doorbell behind the car recording you.
Most people wouldn't get identified if they nicked a couple of items of course, but they soon would if they decided to make a career of it.
Petty theft is increasingly becoming unviable with the increase in smart cameras. An increased risk to steal something will always reduce instances of theft. Not that that's always good news, it may be that the local smack addict concludes the simplest method is to go back to mugging people. Although I suppose even that's a tricky one now people are less likely to carry cash. They might have a phone or smart watch but these things can be tracked in a various ways too.
I'm gonna stick with previous conclusion, the best thing to swipe is probably an expensive bike chained up somewhere quiet.
So if you're crack addled and reading this, go find a bike. Ideally one of those lightweight racers that's annoyingly difficult to overtake because they're a little too fast - but also too slow to be stuck behind. Cheers.
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